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Old May 12, 2012, 01:34 PM   #1
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S&W governor is really worth it?

Hi, so I am in the market for a gun or two....

I want a 1911 soon but thats $700 or so.

I know the Governor is a 3 caliber gun, 410(great for blasting snakes) 45acp(1911 caliber) and 45 LC.

I see the benifits of this because I can shoot cheap 410 rounds out of it and 45acp for self defence carry/range shooting.

This also means when I go to the range with my uncle we can shoot 45's and I can swap to 410 if I need.


The cheapest I can find this is $550-$600.. What is the going rate on these bad boys? I recall at a gun show 2 months ago $800!!!!!!!!!! I am going to stop at the gun show at the end of the month and see what I can get one for. If not I will order where I can find the cheapest.


I really wanted a Taurus judge a while back and thats $450-$500 here, for another $50-$100 with fee's/tax/ffl I could have the S&W.

Also you can disable this lock right?
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Old May 12, 2012, 01:53 PM   #2
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If I were picking between the Taurus and the S&W, I would take S&W. I really do like the 45 ACP option.
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Old May 12, 2012, 02:25 PM   #3
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I'm not sure what 410 shells would be considered cheap...as shotgun shells go they are the most expensive. Unless you are Samuel L Jackson going for a flight, I am not sure I'd find such a need for a snake gun as to buy one which compromises it for every other use.

If you want a 45 Colt, I'd get a 45 Colt and use snake shot shells for it if you need them. I believe there are models out there, from Ruger and others, which will shoot 45ACP as well, while being more practical and accurate than a Governor.
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Old May 12, 2012, 02:26 PM   #4
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I just placed an order for one threw my LGS, CANNOT WAIT!!!


The reason I went with it was over the Judge it holds 6 vs 5 and it shoots 45acp as well. This gives me 3 calibers in one handgun which is a very good deal for me IMO.

Its like paying $200 for each caliber in one handgun package. I cannot wait..
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Old May 12, 2012, 04:00 PM   #5
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I just placed an order for one
I'm sure you'll like it.

Probably a hoot to shoot.

The whole concept, size and proportions... just does not work for wrapping my head around that particular hand cannon. Almost too many compromises all built into one jack of all trades huge handgun. (funny that S&W should follow the Bull on this concept eh? )

Now an Ithaca Auto Burglar... sure. Cool Howdah device to keep your Stutz Bearcat from being jacked. Big, yet with nice lines.

I will say, it is nice to have options and the Governor does give you that.
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Old May 12, 2012, 06:17 PM   #6
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Buy the S&W .. it is only twice the price of the Taurus.
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Old May 12, 2012, 06:31 PM   #7
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And three times the quality!
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Old May 12, 2012, 07:01 PM   #8
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Buy the S&W .. it is only twice the price of the Taurus.
Hmm, LGS has one for $450 and I am paying $615 for this one, not really twice.

But I agree, I made the smart move. I really need it for snakes, I have seen 3 snakes this year already (2 harmless ones) The 45lc also is good for hiking.

I read a lot of reviews this afternoon and alot of "upity ups" complain about it can't shoot for crap 410 doesn't work. LOL??? then you got the guys say go stand in front of it and tell me(then the upity ups shut up)

I am really going to like it, as I have felt one at a show gun once. Nice grips and well built.
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Old May 12, 2012, 07:14 PM   #9
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For the money you spend on the govenor you can about have a Raging judge.

.45lc/.410/.454 casull.

IMHO thats the better bet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnwO0o2ClQ
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Old May 12, 2012, 07:24 PM   #10
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Thats very hard to CC lol. I want one of those later though.
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Old May 12, 2012, 07:29 PM   #11
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I have a 4" S&W M25 in .45LC and make my own snake shot using Speer shot capsules (about $10/50) and #9 shot. I can also load #11 shot, or anything else I choose.

At ten feet I get about a 12" pattern, with a pretty good concentration. I have no doubt that this load will be a very effective snake disposal.

To me, the Judge/Governor are just really big, ugly, long-cylindered revolvers...an answer to a question nobody asked.

And yes, you can disable The Lock easily.
And should, IMHO.
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Old May 12, 2012, 07:34 PM   #12
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I am reading now people are shooting 45 GAP out of a Governor..

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And yes, you can disable The Lock easily.
And should, IMHO.
Plan on it. I knew you could with 442/j frame 38's but didn't know if it was different on the Gov.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVPYgohVCNM

This is the video correct? (removeaL)
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Old May 12, 2012, 08:53 PM   #13
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I'm not really a huge fan of the whole .45/.410 revolver concept, but if I were interested in it I'd be leaning heavily towards the Governor because of the 6-shot capacity, .45 ACP capability, and S&W customer service.
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Old May 12, 2012, 09:11 PM   #14
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Does this thing have a transfer bar? from what I am reading is NO, and shouldn't be carried with one in the chamber!?

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S&W has never used a transfer bar opting instead for a hammer block safety. All S&W revolvers made since the late 1940's will have the modern-type sliding hammer block and are perfectly safe to carry fully loaded. While they work differently, a hammer block and transfer bar accomplish the same basic thing. The hammer block works by preventing the hammer from moving far enough forward to fire the gun. When the trigger is pulled or hammer cocked on a S&W, the hammer block is cammed down and out of engagement by the rebound slide thus allowing the gun to fire. While newer S&W revolvers have frame-mounted firing pins just like transfer bar guns do, older S&W's had hammer-mounted firing pins and were just as safe to carry.

The advantage of a transfer bar over a hammer block is that is is somewhat simpler, easier, and cheaper to produce. The hammer block, however, allows the full force of the hammer's fall to be imparted on the firing pin (a transfer bar absorbs a bit of that energy) and thus allows a slightly lighter mainspring, and thus lighter trigger pull, without sacrificing reliable ignition of primers.
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Old May 13, 2012, 12:15 AM   #16
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tyvm ^ I even posted in another thread on that specificly.
I was worried because I couldn't find this info on the internet. lol
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Old May 13, 2012, 12:46 AM   #17
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The .410 revolver thing is just silly. They are too big for CC, the .410 is a shotgun round, but a puny one...less effective for defense than a .357 or larger standard handgun. The idea of a "snake gun" never made sense to me. If you see a poisonous snake, unless it's in your yard, the proper action is to walk around it and both of you go on your way. So you can shoot .45's in it...but not very accurately. Get a good medium-frame .357--you can shoot .38's in it, and shot loads if you're determined to shoot snakes. Ammo is cheaper and widely available and when the world figures out how nonsensical the Judge et al are you won't be stuck with an "Edsel."
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Old May 13, 2012, 02:24 AM   #18
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S&W has never used a transfer bar opting instead for a hammer block safety. All S&W revolvers made since the late 1940's will have the modern-type sliding hammer block and are perfectly safe to carry fully loaded. While they work differently, a hammer block and transfer bar accomplish the same basic thing. The hammer block works by preventing the hammer from moving far enough forward to fire the gun. When the trigger is pulled or hammer cocked on a S&W, the hammer block is cammed down and out of engagement by the rebound slide thus allowing the gun to fire. While newer S&W revolvers have frame-mounted firing pins just like transfer bar guns do, older S&W's had hammer-mounted firing pins and were just as safe to carry.

The advantage of a transfer bar over a hammer block is that is is somewhat simpler, easier, and cheaper to produce. The hammer block, however, allows the full force of the hammer's fall to be imparted on the firing pin (a transfer bar absorbs a bit of that energy) and thus allows a slightly lighter mainspring, and thus lighter trigger pull, without sacrificing reliable ignition of primers.
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Old May 13, 2012, 03:18 AM   #19
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Not a very practical gun. Size, capacity and accuracy... But I want one in the worst way.
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Old May 13, 2012, 05:25 AM   #20
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I don't understand why the big need for 410 to shoot snakes. Why can't you shoot them with anything else? It's just gonna shoot a donut pattern anyways.
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Old May 13, 2012, 06:40 AM   #21
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I don't think it's necessary to characterize people who disagree with the design as "uppity-ups" to validate your own decision, they are entitled to their opinion as much as you are yours. The fact of the matter is -- as near as I can tell it is fact by actually observing skilled shooters using these all-in-one guns -- is that they are, in fact, not as accurate as single cartridge-dedicated guns.

I have no use for one. Perhaps you do, your needs are different, and it's your money. You should be comfortable in your decision that the gun is right for your needs without bringing others down, IMHO.

FWIW I think the shotshell capability gets a bad rap. One of my coworkers has a video of him going 7-of-12 at the sporting clays range with it, I was quite surprised.
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Old May 13, 2012, 09:23 AM   #22
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The issue is not that it may be a fun gun but that the 410 revolvers were hyped to untrained shooters as some superweapon based on the 410 loads.

The myriad problems of such guns as the 'best' SD guns has been discussed many times.
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Old May 13, 2012, 10:09 AM   #23
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.....an answer to a question nobody asked.
45/410 derringers have been sold for years... maybe even decades. Obviously there is a demand otherwise new guns wouldnt be introduced in several models by at least 2 more mfg'rs.


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The .410 revolver thing is just silly.
Read above. In general, taking a 1 or 2 shot SA gun and improving it to be multi shot DA doesnt seem silly to a lot of people



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..... when the world figures out how nonsensical the Judge et al are you won't be stuck with an "Edsel."
Its a multi purpose gun oure and simple. Whats nonsensical about multi-purposed?


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..... using these all-in-one guns -- is that they are, in fact, not as accurate as single cartridge-dedicated guns.
And even though an all-terrain tires do not perform as well as a dedicated application specific tire in that particular application... millions and millions of all-terrain tires are sold every year. Why? Because they are versitile.


By the way... I dont want one... but I do see the appeal of its versatility.
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Old May 13, 2012, 01:56 PM   #24
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The .410 revolver thing is just silly. They are too big for CC, the .410 is a shotgun round, but a puny one...less effective for defense than a .357 or larger standard handgun. The idea of a "snake gun" never made sense to me. If you see a poisonous snake, unless it's in your yard, the proper action is to walk around it and both of you go on your way. So you can shoot .45's in it...but not very accurately. Get a good medium-frame .357--you can shoot .38's in it, and shot loads if you're determined to shoot snakes. Ammo is cheaper and widely available and when the world figures out how nonsensical the Judge et al are you won't be stuck with an "Edsel."
People act like the governor doesn't "kill" or is self defence, You can CC it, I bought a shoulder holster.

I like it for the fact 3 (4 [45 gap]) calibers in one handgun, kit gun. It shoots good I seen some videos of the testings done. I already have a 357 and a 38 revolver, I don't want another one at this time. This makes it cheaper to shoot, 410 or 45acp/lc


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+1

I seen videos on clay shooting, that looks fun, its a S&W after all. If I don't like it I am sure I can get almost full value back.

It came to me that, if I was walking to my car and had to shoot, its a shotgun and I wouldn't worry to much as a heavy bullet flying and bounceing off the ground or something if I missed.
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Old May 13, 2012, 05:15 PM   #25
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"And even though an all-terrain tires do not perform as well as a dedicated application specific tire in that particular application... millions and millions of all-terrain tires are sold every year. Why? Because they are versitile."

Poor analogy. It's a lot easier to have an extra handgun or two in the safe than to spend money on extra rims, space to store them, and time to swap a set.

Personally, I'd rather have guns that are not awkward beasts (which I find these guns to be), easy to handle (which I find these guns not to be), and accurate (on which I have found them "ok"). YMMV.
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