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Old April 27, 2012, 11:24 AM   #51
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About that first video: I can't remember if I read it in his comments or heard it on the video, but he commented that it was a hot day -- and that he couldn't do the same thing on a very cold day.

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Old May 6, 2012, 08:33 PM   #52
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have training in how to retain the gun.
LEO in Ohio must just be way behind the curve. I trained with an OPOTA grad a few weeks ago for his requalify and he didn't know about jamming the strongside holster up into his hip so it was impossible to draw the gun. If they aren't teaching that in the academy i don't think they are teaching anything about retention.
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Old May 7, 2012, 12:43 AM   #53
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PBS Frontline; Philadelphia PA police dept, Safariland holster...

A few years ago, I watched a update of a PBS Frontline doc about the police academy class of the Philadelphia PA police department(2001).
In a clip of the cadets from 2001, a young female couldn't re-holster her duty Glock pistol in a Safariland retention holster.
The PBS special noted how the Philadelphia PD had a 97% graduate rate compared to 75-80% for most state police training academies.

To train & prepare with the proper gear is important. Some understand that point more than others.
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Old May 7, 2012, 01:13 AM   #54
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A good retention holster and a backup gun on the weakside.
I don't see this as completely necessary. I always carry a knife on my weak side. I have had retention training, and knife training as well.

I have had someone go for my gun once, and it was out on my farm. We had bought two horses from a guy and he had come over to check up on them. I admit, when I am out there I let my guard down at times, and I did on the day that he was there. He tried to grab my gun (later he said "just to look at it") and I responded and kept my gun. He did not know how to operate the SERPA so it was a help as well.

He was escorted off of our property, and has not been invited back.
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Old May 7, 2012, 04:22 AM   #55
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I personally don't believe in open carry as a deterrent. I don't think any criminal around is going to be deterred by knowing a weapon is present. If somebody is mentally screwed up enough to make a target of a person without knowing if they're armed or not, announcing to them that you are only gives them an upper hand.

But open carry shouldn't be used as a deterrent in the first place. It is a statement to the public that carrying a firearm isn't a crime. Too many people don't have the slightest clue what is legal when it comes to firearms and assume the only people carrying are cops and criminals. Open carry should be about peacefully expressing your stance on gun rights, not about deterring criminals.

I also don't like the types who open carry with a camera with them hoping they'll get stopped by an officer so they can video tape said officer and put the video online. You don't need to immortalize some poor officer on the internet to make a point and let him forever be seen as the villain. But I suppose that's an issue for another time.
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Old May 7, 2012, 05:20 PM   #56
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Really? Maybe he isn't 21 and can't CC
Since he's an EMU student, I'd say that's a very good bet.

I CC most of the time and OC a portion of the time, especially at home and around the house. I've found it keeps a lot of crime from my neighborhood when several of us in the area are OC'ing. The neighborhood watch crime stats have proven it out time after time here. We are "the crazies" in my liaison officer's words, which he borrowed from street punks.

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Old May 7, 2012, 06:14 PM   #57
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I personally don't believe in open carry as a deterrent. I don't think any criminal around is going to be deterred by knowing a weapon is present.
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Old May 7, 2012, 08:46 PM   #58
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I personally don't believe in open carry as a deterrent. I don't think any criminal around is going to be deterred by knowing a weapon is present. If somebody is mentally screwed up enough to make a target of a person without knowing if they're armed or not, announcing to them that you are only gives them an upper hand.
I hear Brinks is going to have their guards start CCWing for this reason... I mean really, are you going to stand behind that statement or are you going to rethink it?
Open carry has been an accepted deterrent since the carry item was a club.

In my previous post I said hip where it is actually more the ribs. IDK the anatomy, but you pull up on the bottom of the holster and angle it into your body.
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Old May 8, 2012, 05:07 AM   #59
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OC vs concealed, uniforms....

Doing armed security details in uniform and working armed in a few EP(executive protection) posts, I can honestly say having a OC sidearm can deter some criminals.
In the mid 2000s, I worked as a security officer for a hotel property in a high crime, high incident rate area. I wore my Ruger GPNY .38spl on duty. Several times I saw a few vehicles repeatedly "case" the hotel property, see me, then drive off.
One important point I'd make about armed/uniform carry is to wear a duty uniform that clearly identifys you front & back. This can prevent mishaps or misunderstandings. Being clearly identified can help protect you. Using the reflective type badges & patches avoid problems in low light.
It's important to remember that some LE officers may not know you have a concealed license or can carry OC. I've talked to a few patrol officers in my area who had little or no knowledge of the regulations/policy of the state's Div of Licensing. For the record, the state where I live had in-service training for LE but cut the program to save $$$.

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