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Old April 23, 2012, 01:33 PM   #26
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Old April 23, 2012, 04:18 PM   #27
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Why not play it safe and wait until you are twenty-one!
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Old April 25, 2012, 02:52 AM   #28
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There is nothing under federal law to prevent one non-prohibited person from purchasing a firearm as a gift for another non-prohibited. IOW, if Al (fictitious, but not a prohibited peson) goes down to Frank Fletcher's Famous FFL shop (fictitious, but I like the alliteration) and sees a pistol that he thinks would make a great gift for Bob (also fictitious, also non-prohibited). Alfred can buy it, mark himself as the actual purchaser, and go give it to Bob. I'm sure that Bob will be very happy. However, if Bob gave Al some money and asked Al to go pick up that nice gun from FF's FFFL shop, then Al would not be the "actual purchaser" within the meaning of the relevant laws, and cannot make the purchase. If he does so, he has: (a) engaged in a straw purchase; and (2) would have to lie on the 4473 where it asks if Al is the actual purchaser. These are big no-nos, as in felony-type no-nos.
Out of curiosity, is it the same deal if Al gave the gun to Bob, and sometime later Bob gives Al money as a "thank you"?
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Old April 25, 2012, 06:04 AM   #29
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Out of curiosity, is it the same deal if Al gave the gun to Bob, and sometime later Bob gives Al money as a "thank you"?
Yes, it is. The money is the problem.

@ Gunnut17: Doesn't your dad own and keep firearms that you can use until you're old enough to buy one? This urge to get one that is "yours" is going to result in trouble somewhere along the line, I'm afraid. I know it's a drag being interested in this hobby when you're only 13, but so it goes.
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Old April 25, 2012, 11:55 AM   #30
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My dad hasn't handled a weapon in over a year,I wouldn't be worried about getting a gun for when I'm older if he owned guns, but he doesn't, even though he often expresses interest in the purchase of a AR-15, though that is really the only gun he can think of.

I didn't mean to get off topic, I saw the title of the thread and thought I may see something helpful.
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Old April 25, 2012, 12:02 PM   #31
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Then, explain to me how you had experience with dozens, even 100+, guns as you claim to have had? Just curious...

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Old April 25, 2012, 12:20 PM   #32
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No, I haven't owned any guns, I read magazines, books, articles, and watch plenty of TV, some would say I am obsessed, which is most likely correct.

In reality, I have only handled a few guns, to rattle them off:
-AR-15
-Colt 1911
-Unknown AK variant
-Uzi
-MAC-10
-HK P30L
-Ruger 10/22
-ATI GSG-522
-CZ-75
-CZ-75 Compact
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Old April 25, 2012, 12:39 PM   #33
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The only thing that's real is reality, my young friend. Big difference between picking one up in a gun shop (I assume that's what is happening, am I right?) and actually spending time with them at the range, however.

We all read about guns because we like them and find them fascinating, but try to speak only about our personal experience with them here.
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Old April 25, 2012, 02:15 PM   #34
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I do my best to speak only from experience, if I am going to speak based on a article/magazine/tv show, I will say something like "I read/heard/think...

In fact, most of my threads are there so I can learn from others' experiences.
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