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Old April 10, 2012, 11:03 PM   #1
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Recognize this bullet?

I was digging in a box today and came across a tiny glass jar with a bullet in it. The jar has "1866" written in small letters on the label in ink. This bullet is obviously a rimfire, and measures 0.406 by my caliper. Somebody gave it to me many years ago and I just unearthed it today while looking for a sizing die that I had misplaced. Wouldn't it be a black powder bullet if it actually was from 1866? I think it would be neat. It couldn't hold more than 10-15 grains of powder in there though? I have no clue what the headstamp (the letter "M") means. There is not any other writing on the jar.
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And here is a link to more pics of the same bullet.
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Old April 11, 2012, 12:04 AM   #2
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Remington .41 Short made under a limited contract by Phil Medicus post WWII. The M Headstamp was the last .41 Short manufactured. It is kinda scarce.
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Old April 11, 2012, 12:26 AM   #3
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Well, that takes a little of the romance out of it. . . but it's a pretty neat bullet. 'Thought I might have had something here.
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Old April 11, 2012, 12:59 AM   #4
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Bullet?

I checked my copy of Charles R. Suydam's book, "The American Cartridge: An illustrated study of the rim fire cartridge in the United States". On page 90 appear photos of 4 cartridges nearly identical to yours identified as a ".41 Derringer" round (aka ".41 Short Rimfire"). It was identied as having a: .405-.407" bullet dia, a .460-.468" rim dia, a case length of .453-.493", a .870-.924" cartridge overall length, case mouth dia of .405-.406", head dia of .405-.406". Range of measurements reflect products from different manufacturers and different shaped bullets giving different overall length. If these measurements are close...then .41 Derringer/.41 Short Rimfire should be correct. Original loadings ranged from 10 to 13 grains of blackpowder and typically a bullet of 130 grains. Head stamp is not referenced in Suydam's book.
A different reference: "The Cartridge Guide" by Ian V. Hogg, identifies several "M" head stamps, the most likely being one by a gunsmith: P.J. Medicus of NY, NY. Medicus only used this headstamp on .41 Short Rimfire/.41 Derringer. 2 other European manufacturers used "M" as well. Medicus contracted with Remington-UMC to make cases. Should be of reasonable collector value. Hope this helps.
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Old April 11, 2012, 10:00 AM   #5
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I checked my copy of Charles R. Suydam's book,
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They retail for about ten bucks each.
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Old April 12, 2012, 11:15 PM   #6
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Recognize this bullet?

I was working on my reply and didn't see the reply from Hawg Haggen until I had posted mine. Oh well, corroberation is good.
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