help with win model 1907

Eazmo · February 19, 2012, 07:27 PM

My dad gave me an winchester model 1907
It was his dad's but he doesn't know the history of the gun.

serial numbers shows manufactured in 1921. The rifle is complete, but cambered in .351win which is obsolete

The receiver is pretty brown but the barrel still has decent bluing. wood looks original but forearm has hairline cracks running both sides of the barrel

Is this thing worth anything???????

Can it be re cambered to something more common and just shoot it?????

If i cant have it as a shooter does anyone buy these things????

samsmix · February 19, 2012, 10:43 PM

DO NOT SELL IT. You will hate yourself later. I'm sure brass can be made from...something. Then you can shoot it. You can even use it as a deer rifle if you are hunting thick woods from a stand or jump shooting whitetails up close. It's not a real potent number, and was popular as a guards gun in prisons in the early 1900's.

**James K** · February 20, 2012, 12:02 AM

.351 ammo is fairly easily made from .357 Magnum cases by trimming the rims to .410" and cutting extractor grooves. Those cases will be a bit short; if you want full length, use .357 Maximum brass and trim, though that brass is often hard to get now.

Jim

SIGSHR · February 20, 2012, 01:24 AM

Nope, not worth anything. You can just send it to me c/o this forum.
All kidding aside, I saw .351 Winchester Self Loader ammunition listed on the Old Western Scrounger website.

Scorch · February 20, 2012, 03:21 AM

They seem to sell for $400-$900-ish, but some of them get just flat out ridiculous on the price. There are some very clean ones selling for over $1000, some of them several times that.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Win...n_id=100227164

Here's the ammo, $49.95 a box.
http://ows-ammo.com/store/index.php?...products_id=96

PetahW · February 20, 2012, 08:14 PM

The ammo's aenemic, for anything except shooting humans - IIRC the guns were used by Prison Guards, etc.

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**James K** · February 20, 2012, 09:22 PM

I agree on the ammo, but quite a few were used in their time for deer hunting. Not much worse than hunting with lever actions in .32-20 or .38-40.

All those rifles were underpowered by today's standards, yet the old timers brought home a lot of venison. And of course, they were an early semi-auto with the magic Winchester name. The Remington Model 8 was both better and chambered for more powerful rounds, but it never got the "respect" it deserved.

Jim

PetahW · February 21, 2012, 02:42 PM

[the old timers brought home a lot of venison.]

Yep - The deer back then weren't as eddikated as today's are, by bumblers grunting them every which way but dead, AND they didn't have to worry about the deer running onto posted land or over the hill where one of the hundred-or-so other hunters in the area would be only too glad to tag/drag.

Ah, well - enough nostalgia, for one day....................

.

**James K** · February 22, 2012, 12:38 AM

And people have gotten a lot tougher. At one time, a .32 S&W revolver was considered quite sufficient for personal defense or even for police use. But today, crooks have hides three times as thick as that on an old bull elephant, so folks have to carry at least a .500 S&W for protection against even a teenage street thug. Amazing, just amazing!!

Jim

SPEMack618 · February 22, 2012, 08:41 PM

But the weapon is still dangerous enough to be banned in California and MA.

**James K** · February 22, 2012, 10:00 PM

Isn't everything banned in CA and MA? People's Democratic Republics don't like armed citizens.

FWIW, cracked foreends are quite common on that whole Winchester series. The forward part of the bolt is a heavy weight that fits into the foreend. It is so massive that the foreend had to be made a hollow shell so thin that it can be cracked just by squeezing it in the hand.

I have seen those fixed using steel mesh in epoxy, but never did it myself.

Jim

timgd · February 25, 2012, 03:47 PM

you can get new wood for your 1907 @www.Gunville.com page 5 of the cat.

Coogs · April 11, 2012, 10:34 PM

I have one that is 94+%. Had it a few shows asking $800.00. some tire kickers, but that's all. There are one neat gun, though. Is the cocking piece on yours have kind of a "finger hook" on it or just a flat type button? The finger hook is a little rarer. Coogs.

Jim Watson · April 12, 2012, 12:16 AM

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And people have gotten a lot tougher. At one time, a .32 S&W revolver was considered quite sufficient for personal defense or even for police use. But today, crooks have hides three times as thick as that on an old bull elephant, so folks have to carry at least a .500 S&W for protection against even a teenage street thug. Amazing, just amazing!!

I figure the difference is that when the .32 was popular, if you tagged a crook in the torso, he might get away from the scene but to die slowly of peritonitis.
Nowadays if you don't nail him DRT, he will get surgery and antibiotics courtesy of the taxpayers.
And in both eras, the criminals were aware of that, and were or were not deterred.

Eazmo · April 18, 2012, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Is the cocking piece on yours have kind of a "finger hook" on it or just a flat type button? The finger hook is a little rarer. Coogs.

Mine just has the flat button.

cleaned it this week end with some bore tech cleaner and holly crap i bet i had 50 patches dark blue from all the copper in there but the rifle ling looks fantastic.

Were can i find more info on making reloads out of 357 cases?
bullets?
powders?
dies?
Load data?

mapsjanhere · April 19, 2012, 03:12 PM

Graf and Son has 35sl brass http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...productId/1144
Not cheap, but if all you want to do is try it out it might be worth it before you start messing with making your own.

Eazmo · April 23, 2012, 09:11 PM

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Graf and Son has 35sl brass http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...productId/1144
Not cheap, but if all you want to do is try it out it might be worth it before you start messing with making your own.

can i use .35sl brass in .351sl gun??????
I really don't know this gun is older then i am

mapsjanhere · April 24, 2012, 12:00 AM

do, wrong link http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...productId/1145, you needed one page over. Unfortunately that one is out of stock

timgd · April 26, 2012, 12:57 PM

Buffalo Arms sells loaded ammo for 33.00/20 also they make brass for reloading.

February 19, 2012, 07:27 PM	#1
Eazmo Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 163	help with win model 1907 My dad gave me an winchester model 1907 It was his dad's but he doesn't know the history of the gun. serial numbers shows manufactured in 1921. The rifle is complete, but cambered in .351win which is obsolete The receiver is pretty brown but the barrel still has decent bluing. wood looks original but forearm has hairline cracks running both sides of the barrel Is this thing worth anything??????? Can it be re cambered to something more common and just shoot it????? If i cant have it as a shooter does anyone buy these things???? __________________ I'm just an average man I drive a average van My dog ain't got no pedigree!

February 19, 2012, 10:43 PM	#2
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 614	DO NOT SELL IT. You will hate yourself later. I'm sure brass can be made from...something. Then you can shoot it. You can even use it as a deer rifle if you are hunting thick woods from a stand or jump shooting whitetails up close. It's not a real potent number, and was popular as a guards gun in prisons in the early 1900's. __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

February 20, 2012, 12:02 AM	#3
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,617	.351 ammo is fairly easily made from .357 Magnum cases by trimming the rims to .410" and cutting extractor grooves. Those cases will be a bit short; if you want full length, use .357 Maximum brass and trim, though that brass is often hard to get now. Jim __________________ Jim K

February 20, 2012, 03:21 AM	#5
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 11,113	They seem to sell for $400-$900-ish, but some of them get just flat out ridiculous on the price. There are some very clean ones selling for over $1000, some of them several times that. http://www.gunsinternational.com/Win...n_id=100227164 Here's the ammo, $49.95 a box. http://ows-ammo.com/store/index.php?...products_id=96 __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services Taylor Machine

February 20, 2012, 09:22 PM	#7
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,617	I agree on the ammo, but quite a few were used in their time for deer hunting. Not much worse than hunting with lever actions in .32-20 or .38-40. All those rifles were underpowered by today's standards, yet the old timers brought home a lot of venison. And of course, they were an early semi-auto with the magic Winchester name. The Remington Model 8 was both better and chambered for more powerful rounds, but it never got the "respect" it deserved. Jim __________________ Jim K

February 20, 2012, 01:24 AM	#4
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 2,629	Nope, not worth anything. You can just send it to me c/o this forum. All kidding aside, I saw .351 Winchester Self Loader ammunition listed on the Old Western Scrounger website.

February 20, 2012, 08:14 PM	#6
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 3,399	The ammo's aenemic, for anything except shooting humans - IIRC the guns were used by Prison Guards, etc. .

February 21, 2012, 02:42 PM	#8
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 3,399	[the old timers brought home a lot of venison.] Yep - The deer back then weren't as eddikated as today's are, by bumblers grunting them every which way but dead, AND they didn't have to worry about the deer running onto posted land or over the hill where one of the hundred-or-so other hunters in the area would be only too glad to tag/drag. Ah, well - enough nostalgia, for one day.................... .

February 22, 2012, 12:38 AM	#9
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,617	And people have gotten a lot tougher. At one time, a .32 S&W revolver was considered quite sufficient for personal defense or even for police use. But today, crooks have hides three times as thick as that on an old bull elephant, so folks have to carry at least a .500 S&W for protection against even a teenage street thug. Amazing, just amazing!! Jim __________________ Jim K

February 22, 2012, 08:41 PM	#10
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Boy Scout Camp Posts: 1,261	But the weapon is still dangerous enough to be banned in California and MA. __________________ "Growing up as both a Southern and the son of a child of the '50s, I was imprinted with several things that have long stuck with me. The F-86 Saber Jet was the finest fighter ever flown, the National League is always superior, and Leslie Coffelt was the finest revovler shooter since Mr. Ed."

February 22, 2012, 10:00 PM	#11
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,617	Isn't everything banned in CA and MA? People's Democratic Republics don't like armed citizens. FWIW, cracked foreends are quite common on that whole Winchester series. The forward part of the bolt is a heavy weight that fits into the foreend. It is so massive that the foreend had to be made a hollow shell so thin that it can be cracked just by squeezing it in the hand. I have seen those fixed using steel mesh in epoxy, but never did it myself. Jim __________________ Jim K

February 25, 2012, 03:47 PM	#12
timgd Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: SF bay area Posts: 31	1907wsl you can get new wood for your 1907 @www.Gunville.com page 5 of the cat.

April 11, 2012, 10:34 PM	#13
Coogs Member Join Date: April 8, 2012 Location: NW Pennsylvania Posts: 58	I have one that is 94+%. Had it a few shows asking $800.00. some tire kickers, but that's all. There are one neat gun, though. Is the cocking piece on yours have kind of a "finger hook" on it or just a flat type button? The finger hook is a little rarer. Coogs.

April 19, 2012, 03:12 PM	#16
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,278	Graf and Son has 35sl brass http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...productId/1144 Not cheap, but if all you want to do is try it out it might be worth it before you start messing with making your own. __________________ F 135 - the right choice

April 24, 2012, 12:00 AM	#18
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,278	do, wrong link http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...productId/1145, you needed one page over. Unfortunately that one is out of stock __________________ F 135 - the right choice

April 26, 2012, 12:57 PM	#19
timgd Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: SF bay area Posts: 31	351wsl Buffalo Arms sells loaded ammo for 33.00/20 also they make brass for reloading.