can i have a vertical grip on my ar15 with a 12in barrel?

ftballgod · November 24, 2011, 01:02 AM

i am putting a new upper on my ar15 and want to go with a shorter barrel. but if i do can i still put on the vertical grip?

i currently have the stock gov barrel on it.

BlackJackID · November 24, 2011, 01:12 AM

If you put a 12 inch barrel on it, it becomes a short barrelled rifle and will be an NFA item. you will have to register it with the ATF.If you don't, its prison time. If you need more info than that you should post in the NFA forum.

If it does get registered as an SBR, then yes you can put a forward grip on it.

If it is an were an AR Pistol, it could not have a forward grip attached without an NFA registration either.

Hope that helps a little. Again better info from the guys on NFA forrum

bedlamite · November 24, 2011, 01:13 AM

BATFE doesn't care about pistol grips on a rifle, but you better have a tax stamp if the barrel is less than 16 inches.

rjrivero · November 24, 2011, 01:14 AM

If you put a 12" barrel on your rifle, you have a "Short Barrel Rifle" or SBR. It is required that you register the rifle with the National Firearms Branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

You need to fill out a Form 5320.1 (Form 1) in duplicate, and send the two copies, with all supporting documents to the ATF-NFA Branch.

Then you have to wait for them to return the 5320.1 with a cancelled Tax Stamp on it BEFORE you can put a barrel shorter than 16" on any rifle. (Turn around time is about 4-5 months.)

After you've done that, you're free to put ANY foregrip you want to on your SBR.

Blackops_2 · November 24, 2011, 01:17 AM

Everyone already stated the SBR situation.

Yes you'll be able to put a vertical grip on it. If you have rails or guards with rail adapters you can put a vertical forgrip on any AR.

ftballgod · November 24, 2011, 01:26 AM

thanks guys. sounds like a lot of work. i will just stick with a notmal barrel length.

rjrivero · November 24, 2011, 01:31 AM

We don't tell you this to dissuade you. Just to keep you out of Club Fed.

SBR's are FUN!

Blackops_2 · November 24, 2011, 01:46 AM

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We don't tell you this to dissuade you. Just to keep you out of Club Fed.

SBR's are FUN!

+1 to that. I have loved SBRs since the moment i saw one. It was preferably the 12.5" that Christ Costa was using in his Magpul video or the 11.5 KAC. Either way SBRs are down right sexy aesthetically speaking. And IMO great for self defense in tight situations. Pair a suppressor with a SBR and you've almost reached a overall length of a non NFA weapon in some cases. So yeah they're awesome

. Can't wait till this january. I turn 21 it's off to fill out form 4 etc. for SBRs and Suppressors. I think suppressors come first under my circumstances but after that i'll be piecing together a 10.5/11.5 upper depending on which i decide on. Here's an awesome video i saw on the hide of someone hitting steel at 600m with they're 10.5.
Note:this is not mine, just to clarify that i'm not taking credit for someone else's weapon or shooting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuQoO...layer_embedded
@ 773yds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcSSw...layer_embedded

Here is his rifle tell me that is not just beautiful in it's own right.

jukk0u · November 24, 2011, 02:58 PM

I'd lose the bipod. Seems at odds with the function of a compact weapon.

MTT TL · November 24, 2011, 03:20 PM

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I'd lose the bipod. Seems at odds with the function of a compact weapon.

Bipod and magnified scope too. Must be one of those "Sniper pistols" I keep hearing about. Is it at least offset? I can't tell from the pics.

I don't like short barreled .223s myself. Too much powder outside the barrel.

Blackops_2 · November 24, 2011, 03:23 PM

As i said it's not mine...

but i'm sure he has many configurations. He's hitting steel out to 600-700m which is pretty good for a SBR.

Not my idea of a SBR but it's still beautiful non the less. You don't come by SR-15 lowers that often, finish is nice also.

November 24, 2011, 01:02 AM	#1
ftballgod Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2010 Posts: 268	can i have a vertical grip on my ar15 with a 12in barrel? i am putting a new upper on my ar15 and want to go with a shorter barrel. but if i do can i still put on the vertical grip? i currently have the stock gov barrel on it. __________________ When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power - like God must feel when he's holding a gun.

November 24, 2011, 01:13 AM	#3
bedlamite Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Location: WI Posts: 981	BATFE doesn't care about pistol grips on a rifle, but you better have a tax stamp if the barrel is less than 16 inches. __________________ A plan is just a list of things that doesn't happen.

November 24, 2011, 01:17 AM	#5
Blackops_2 Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,465	Everyone already stated the SBR situation. Yes you'll be able to put a vertical grip on it. If you have rails or guards with rail adapters you can put a vertical forgrip on any AR. __________________ "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine." "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back."

November 24, 2011, 01:26 AM	#6
ftballgod Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2010 Posts: 268	thanks guys. sounds like a lot of work. i will just stick with a notmal barrel length. __________________ When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power - like God must feel when he's holding a gun.

November 24, 2011, 02:58 PM	#9
jukk0u Junior Member Join Date: October 26, 2011 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 5	Nice pic of that SBR but.. I'd lose the bipod. Seems at odds with the function of a compact weapon. __________________ Jukk0u

November 24, 2011, 01:12 AM	#2
BlackJackID Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2011 Posts: 159	If you put a 12 inch barrel on it, it becomes a short barrelled rifle and will be an NFA item. you will have to register it with the ATF.If you don't, its prison time. If you need more info than that you should post in the NFA forum. If it does get registered as an SBR, then yes you can put a forward grip on it. If it is an were an AR Pistol, it could not have a forward grip attached without an NFA registration either. Hope that helps a little. Again better info from the guys on NFA forrum

November 24, 2011, 01:14 AM	#4
rjrivero Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 1,321	If you put a 12" barrel on your rifle, you have a "Short Barrel Rifle" or SBR. It is required that you register the rifle with the National Firearms Branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. You need to fill out a Form 5320.1 (Form 1) in duplicate, and send the two copies, with all supporting documents to the ATF-NFA Branch. Then you have to wait for them to return the 5320.1 with a cancelled Tax Stamp on it BEFORE you can put a barrel shorter than 16" on any rifle. (Turn around time is about 4-5 months.) After you've done that, you're free to put ANY foregrip you want to on your SBR.

November 24, 2011, 01:31 AM	#7
rjrivero Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 1,321	We don't tell you this to dissuade you. Just to keep you out of Club Fed. SBR's are FUN!

November 24, 2011, 03:23 PM	#11
Blackops_2 Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,465	As i said it's not mine... but i'm sure he has many configurations. He's hitting steel out to 600-700m which is pretty good for a SBR. Not my idea of a SBR but it's still beautiful non the less. You don't come by SR-15 lowers that often, finish is nice also. __________________ "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine." "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back."