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Old October 20, 2011, 06:39 AM   #1
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silver bear softpoints

Has anybody ever used silverbear softpoint ammo for hunting. Trying to find out how it performed. The reason i ask is because my my friend wants to start hunting deer and the only thing he has suitable is an sks. We tried several brands of softpoint ammo through his gun and it shot 2moa with the silverbear. Everything else we tried was more like 3.5moa or worse.
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Old October 20, 2011, 11:55 AM   #2
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Never used it out of an SKS but I used it out of a 7.62x54r mosin nagant to kill a pretty big hog. Dropped him were he stood. But that was a 203 grain bullet. I have no idea how tough the smaller 7.62x39 sks/ak47 ammo is.
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Old October 20, 2011, 04:22 PM   #3
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I'm more worried about them not expanding and acting like an fmj. Did that 203gr round expand on the hog or did it just zip through?
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Old October 20, 2011, 04:54 PM   #4
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I've killed 2 deer with them, the first one had a 2 inch hole all the way through
the second also had about a 2 inch exit wound, they work
Keep in mind this was out of a 7.62X54R

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Old October 20, 2011, 08:35 PM   #5
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people have the misconception that a bullet takes a straight path through soft tissue and bone. The bullet will tumble nose over tail on it way through and devastate a baseball diameter cavity on its way thru.
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Old October 20, 2011, 10:52 PM   #6
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people have the misconception that a bullet takes a straight path through soft tissue and bone. The bullet will tumble nose over tail on it way through and devastate a baseball diameter cavity on its way thru.


Uh..........no, this is the exception rather than the rule with most quality bullets.......
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Old October 21, 2011, 01:59 PM   #7
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Uh..........no, this is the exception rather than the rule with most quality bullets.......
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Old October 21, 2011, 06:01 PM   #8
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You have any data to back up "silver bear just tumbles"?
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Old October 21, 2011, 09:08 PM   #9
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Try Barnaul hunting rounds

Brown bear, Silver bear, Golden bear.... I have never had a good grouping from any of them in any caliber that I own. In 7.62x54R, the Barnaul stuff seems to group well at 200 yrds. I know it did better than the Wolf Gold for me.

Here's a link for Barnaul 7.62x39
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=8724
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Old October 22, 2011, 08:43 AM   #10
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Go hunting. Keep it within a hundred yards and he'll be just fine.
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Old October 22, 2011, 08:54 AM   #11
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bacardisteve: I will let you know how they work. I am going to use my sks with silver bear 125gr softpoints for whitetail this year. Hopefully I can get a deer this year.
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Old October 23, 2011, 07:56 AM   #12
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I've done a couple of bullet tests on the 223 SB 55 grain soft point. Two does not make much of a sample. Here's the test and what was used.
Milk jugs filled to the top with water backed by packed wet newsprint and the same newsprint alone. Range 100 yards. AR 15 with 20" barrel. Results were: Water jugs(2) penetrated but not damaged to the extent I expected from past tests with 223 55 grain SP followed by 8-9"of newsprint leaving a 1" cavity, bullet nose mushroomed somewhat no evidence of tumbling. W/O water jug, penetration of wet newsprint was 14-15" exiting back of bundle and bullet lost. Maximum cavity appeared to be 1 1/2" about 5-6" into bundle tapering to 1/2" at exit. I think another 2" of paper would have stopped the bullet.
My perception based on this meager testing is that this ammo is as good as could be expected from a 223 regarding penetration but doesn't give me much confidence at to the actual wound produced. These cavities are smaller and penetration greater than what I've seen with US M193 fmj at 100 yards because that bullet generally tumbles and/or breaks apart about 6-8 inches into soft media.
I don't feel the 223 is an adequate deer cartridge regardless of the fact that a lot of deer have fallen to it. There are just too many variables involved to say it will kill every deer hit in a vital spot IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS THE ANIMAL TO BE RECOVERED. That's the catch phrase. A 22lr in the lungs will probably kill a deer at some point but maybe not when or where it can be recovered.
Point of fact: I once found a 1500# cow bleeding from the nostrils and obviously having some sort of problem. A late night visit to the vet did not solve the problem although administration of medication eased the symptoms. Three days later(and additional medications) the cow died in my corral despite my best efforts. Postmortem indicated the cow had been shot in the left lung with a 22lr but the bullet had probably been coughed up in a blood clot at some point. The landlord on this farm had a garden and the bad habit of shooting at starlings sitting on the fence to "protect" his plants. Since we didn't have a bullet, we couldn't prove one of his shots went over the crest of the hill and hit my cow. I'm a pretty tough guy when it comes to animal care but it surely hurt me to see that cow die that way. We kept thinking she was going to make it but lung congestion and blood clots finished her off.
If I'm going to shoot a deer, I intend for it to die quickly in a place I can find and recover it.
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Old October 24, 2011, 01:11 AM   #13
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brown bear

I read an article (with pics) where they had shot 7.62x39 125gr SP Brown Bear into ballistic gelatin and it had performed consistently like a soft point should, mushrooming and expanding, with our displaying FMJ or import HP (FMJ like) failures.

Cannot say about "Silver" Bear, but suspect its all the same with a different case.
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Old October 24, 2011, 02:52 AM   #14
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Old October 24, 2011, 01:44 PM   #15
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Thanks guys rifle season starts Nov 30 and we will hope to perform a live test of said ammo.
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Old October 24, 2011, 02:53 PM   #16
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My season starts Nov. 19th. If I get a deer and can recover the bullet. I will let you know approx how much expansion if any. And also how the round preformed. Looking forward to getting a deer with my SKS. I will be using 125gr. SP by silver bear.
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