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Old October 13, 2011, 05:02 PM   #76
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Thanks for the real life accounts. What I was looking for was " how much time do you have left to fight " in the split second after the bullet impact.
It depends on where you are hit and the severity. There are a world of other factors that go with that too.

As far as what it felt like to get hit. I did not feel it. In fact until I was at the hospital I did not feel a darn thing. The impact atualy spun me forward slightly. Kinda like a firm shoulder to shoulder into someone while you are walking at a fast pace.

For me it was about a couple of minutes, and walking 200 feet on my own. After that it was kinda hazy for a bit. It felt like when some one dunks you under in the pool and your lungs hurt like hell from not being able to breath, and then you end up taking in some water. I remember getting tunnel vision towards the end, and everyones voices sounded like they were miles away. I went down after that. Both of my lungs had collapsed, and were filling with blood.

I was in full cardiac, and respritory arrest for over 15 minutes. The justice of the peace was pulling into the driveway to pronounce me dead when my heart started beating again.

Note In my case it was an accidental shooting. I survivied due to many people, and a major miracle. I survived taking a 12 guage sawn off to the chest from about 6 feet. It tore my left petoral, and an area of my chest the size of a basket ball to gound beef. I lost a chunk of lung the size of a baseball. I had a lot of chest muscle at the time. I have the full use of both arms, and can bechpress more than most men that outweigh me by a considerable margin.

If it would have been a case of a gunfight I can say I would have been able to shoot back for a little bit, but if I would have had to call 911 I would not have been able to make a peep. My lungs were collapsed.
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Old October 13, 2011, 05:51 PM   #77
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" Every wound out in the bush is life threatening "


Got it, I should have added a time factor. In the next few minutes / hours not life threatening. ( I was in no way trying to minimize your injury, was trying to point out that "keep shooting" might not always be possible. )

" if I would have had to call 911 I would not have been able to make a peep. My lungs were collapsed. "

This brings up a good point, just what should you do if you can't speak? I would try to tap out Morse code for SOS --- ... --- ( Or is it ... --- ... ) and hope a old timer is at the phones. After that I'm lost on Morse.
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Old October 13, 2011, 06:08 PM   #78
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LTC Grossman (USA Retired) had a great book titled On Combat that goes into this discussion a good bit. His advice, and mine, is that if you've been shot and you can return fire---do it. If you can't but can get cover---do it. Never stop fighting. Never.
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Old October 13, 2011, 06:14 PM   #79
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If not, the threat of infection is always there, and every wound in the bush is in fact potentially life threatening.

Infection and gangrene used to kill lots of people. That doesn't happen so often now, because in our combat ops, most wounded get treated within an hour.
I respect your opinion and I understand your point... Most people arent lost in the woods or whatever long enough for much of that to matter.

Further take a tour of any third world nation and you will find people that live with horrible wounds and make it day to day, many die some do not... Age and a ton of factors effect the outcome and I dont claim to be a subject matter expert...

I have however been more places than most people in this world and took my fair share of punishment along the way... yet here I am.... No death from broken finger, ribs, nose, parasites nor food poisioning.... Wont kid you though a lot of it wasnt much fun...
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Old October 13, 2011, 06:20 PM   #80
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True, a lot of people survive nasty injuries in the third world.

But look at the history of warfare; an extremely high percentage of fatalities were not even due to combat related wounds. Dysentery, infections, pneumonia, malnutrition... In the Spanish-American War, botulism killed more troops than any other cause, IIRC, which led to a total revamp in how rations were stored and processed.

Leaving warfare out of it, look how many climbers and hikers, in the modern day US, succumb or come very close to succumbing to hypothermia.

Take most urbanites and suburbanites out of an environment where they have ready access to EMS, cell phone coverage, or their vehicle, and it doesn't take much to push them past their limits.

Those third worlders you mentioned, OTOH, are accustomed to such, and are likely to have better odds of survival in a detached environment.
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