Hollow point bullets ? Restricted some states? - Page 2

Colvin · September 23, 2011, 08:16 PM

And why is ball often restricted in hunting? Because it's inhumane. Just a matter of who thinks what is worse.

FrankenMauser · September 23, 2011, 11:41 PM

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And why is ball often restricted in hunting? Because it's inhumane. Just a matter of who thinks what is worse

Indeed.

....But Deer, Elk, Antelope, Squirrels, Rabbits, etc. usually don't have field hospitals and evac units...

Lawmaker · September 23, 2011, 11:53 PM

But here is the million dollar law suit question. Would an ambulance chaser attorney representing someone you shot in SD sue you for using inhuman ammunition? Or ammo intended to cause unnecessary damage.

Uncle Buck · September 24, 2011, 08:03 AM

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I carry anti-social rounds in both of my carry guns.

Perhaps they are in need of therapy to properly become socialized.

Stressfire: Coffee through the nose at 7:00 AM is not funny! Now I have to clean my keyboard.

**Spats McGee** · September 24, 2011, 09:08 AM

I know that this is a discussion of hollowpoints and not reloads, but the legal issues are largely the same. An Archive Regarding Reloads and Self-Defense might be of some interest to those posting in and following this thread.

Aguila Blanca · September 24, 2011, 10:45 AM

Spats, the issue isn't really the same. NJ state law, for example, specifically bans the carry of HP ammo in a self-defense handgun. I realize that's an academic point since carry permits are almost impossible to obtain in NJ, but an outright prohibition under state law is quite a different issue from potentially being portrayed as someone using intentionally "evil" ammunition just because you roll your own.

graysmoke · September 24, 2011, 10:57 AM

No hollow point restrictions in Florida.

C0untZer0 · September 24, 2011, 11:30 AM

I know this topic comes up in various threads - the concern of being sued in the aftermath of a shooting, and how the type of ammo or the name of the ammo or the name of the firearm or any inscriptions on it is going to give lawyers the opportunity to sue you.

I think it has to be balanced. Getting a Punisher deathhead backplate for your Glock is probably a bad idea, inscribing "Kill em all & Let God sort em out" on the slide of your pistol is not prudent. But worrying about getting sued to the extent that you don't put effective asmmunition in your firearm is a mistake IMO.

If I got sued in the aftermath of a shooting and even had to go through bankruptcy - my life would be difficult but the most important thing is I would be alive.

There are things that can make life more difficult than being financially ruined. Being paralyzed as the result of being shot is one of them... so again, I would say, being sued into bankruptcy is a difficult thing - but it's not THE most difficult thing that you could possibly face.

**Spats McGee** · September 24, 2011, 01:50 PM

AB, perhaps "overlapping issues" would have been better phrasing. They're not identical issues, but the question "What about hollowpoints?" often comes up in the threads on reloads.

manta49 · September 24, 2011, 02:00 PM

Don't know about US but in the UK they are only allowed to be used by the police and in the humane destruction of animals.
They are not allowed to be used in pistols by civilians.

heyjoe · September 24, 2011, 02:53 PM

new york, state or city, does not ban the use of hollow point bullets. the information in the original post is incorrect.

Lawmaker · September 25, 2011, 03:03 PM

FMJ is still effective. It just might over penetrate.

September 24, 2011, 09:08 AM	#30
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,345	I know that this is a discussion of hollowpoints and not reloads, but the legal issues are largely the same. An Archive Regarding Reloads and Self-Defense might be of some interest to those posting in and following this thread. __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

September 24, 2011, 10:57 AM	#32
graysmoke Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2011 Location: Tennessee Posts: 378	No hollow point restrictions in Florida. __________________ "Keep your powder dry, and eyes on the target". -R. Lee Ermey

September 24, 2011, 01:50 PM	#34
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,345	AB, perhaps "overlapping issues" would have been better phrasing. They're not identical issues, but the question "What about hollowpoints?" often comes up in the threads on reloads. __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

September 23, 2011, 08:16 PM	#26
Colvin Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2011 Posts: 126	And why is ball often restricted in hunting? Because it's inhumane. Just a matter of who thinks what is worse.

September 23, 2011, 11:53 PM	#28
Lawmaker Member Join Date: September 23, 2011 Posts: 29	But here is the million dollar law suit question. Would an ambulance chaser attorney representing someone you shot in SD sue you for using inhuman ammunition? Or ammo intended to cause unnecessary damage.

September 24, 2011, 10:45 AM	#31
Aguila Blanca Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 4,831	Spats, the issue isn't really the same. NJ state law, for example, specifically bans the carry of HP ammo in a self-defense handgun. I realize that's an academic point since carry permits are almost impossible to obtain in NJ, but an outright prohibition under state law is quite a different issue from potentially being portrayed as someone using intentionally "evil" ammunition just because you roll your own.

September 24, 2011, 11:30 AM	#33
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I know this topic comes up in various threads - the concern of being sued in the aftermath of a shooting, and how the type of ammo or the name of the ammo or the name of the firearm or any inscriptions on it is going to give lawyers the opportunity to sue you. I think it has to be balanced. Getting a Punisher deathhead backplate for your Glock is probably a bad idea, inscribing "Kill em all & Let God sort em out" on the slide of your pistol is not prudent. But worrying about getting sued to the extent that you don't put effective asmmunition in your firearm is a mistake IMO. If I got sued in the aftermath of a shooting and even had to go through bankruptcy - my life would be difficult but the most important thing is I would be alive. There are things that can make life more difficult than being financially ruined. Being paralyzed as the result of being shot is one of them... so again, I would say, being sued into bankruptcy is a difficult thing - but it's not THE most difficult thing that you could possibly face.

September 24, 2011, 02:00 PM	#35
manta49 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Location: N Ireland. UK. Posts: 837	Don't know about US but in the UK they are only allowed to be used by the police and in the humane destruction of animals. They are not allowed to be used in pistols by civilians.

September 24, 2011, 02:53 PM	#36
heyjoe Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Posts: 129	new york, state or city, does not ban the use of hollow point bullets. the information in the original post is incorrect.

September 25, 2011, 03:03 PM	#37
Lawmaker Member Join Date: September 23, 2011 Posts: 29	FMJ is still effective. It just might over penetrate.