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Old February 3, 2001, 09:40 AM   #1
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My father has a problem driving neighbor cattle back to their side of the fence (they actually jump the fence which is an amazing sight to behold a ton-and-a-half of beef develop the energy to leap a 42" fence). He's tried a bb gun, but so far hasn't been able to get good effect from it. He doesn't want to use a pellet gun for fear of skin penetration and subsequent problems that could occur that he'd be liable for. He "drives" them with his tractor, but says he needs something to reach out and touch them with besides a bb gun.
This problem got me to thinking; when I was in the Horse Cav Detachment, we used wax bullets for weapon's demonstrations. We'd resize, Deprime, prime and charge a bullet (.45LC), and then we'd hammer parrafin wax into the case. This would reach out to twenty yards, had decent scatter, and would burn slightly when hit at that distance. I think it'll help my father with his rougue-cattle herding, but I have a question.
He plans on using an old .38spc he's had for ages. I have a bunch of .357 Mag brass I could load with wax. Could I load a .357 case with a .38 charge, and then top off the extra with parrafin? I'm not worried about pressures here. Parrifin doesn't really build up pressure like a lead bullet would. I just want to know if the .357 case without projectile would fit a .38 spc chamber (I have no .38 specials to test it on). The pressures will be the same anyway since I'm using a .38 charge w/ wax projectiles.

If I weren't so poor, I'd use those rubber bullets in the dillon catalog, but necessity is the mother of reinvention!
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Old February 3, 2001, 09:57 AM   #2
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Naw. The primers back out and bind the action. 'sides the cattle are too dumb to associate the sting with what they're doing. Horses and pigs might, but cows mainly go moo and dump.
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Old February 3, 2001, 10:19 AM   #3
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How about one of those pump up pellet guns and only use (1) pump? That should reduce the probability of penetration to just about nothing. Quantrill
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Old February 3, 2001, 02:13 PM   #4
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How long is the fence line where they jump across? If it's not too long, how's about raising the fence? The expense should be paid by the cattle owner. Another possibility is to make the fence so that the cattle can't see through it. Most animals won't jump over a fence unless they can see where they are going to land. This works with lions, etc. in zoos.
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Old February 3, 2001, 02:29 PM   #5
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KJM,
A question that none of us has addressed for you is the use of 357mag brass in a 38spec. Sorry, it won't fit. Too long. So don't plan on using the old 357mag brass in your Dad's old 38spec. Quantrill
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Old February 3, 2001, 06:15 PM   #6
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Luckily, I found a stash of .38 spc brass that I was able to load 200 rounds with. I tested it on dirt and it worked just like I wanted it to. Cattle test will follow! Now I can think of a way to get the paraffin residue out of my pistol barrel.
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Old February 3, 2001, 06:17 PM   #7
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When I used wax loads, I cleaned the barrel with mineral spirits. Just remember to enlarge the flash hole in those cases or the primers will back out.

FWIW, I think you'd be better off with a wrist rocket, but wax loads are fun too.
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Old February 3, 2001, 07:14 PM   #8
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To keep the primer from backing out, enlarge the primer hole with a drill bit.

You'll have to mess around some to figure out how large the hole should be.

Also, mark the cases somehow so you don't end up using the to load regular ammo.
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Old February 3, 2001, 07:47 PM   #9
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Let us know the outcome with the cattle. Really interested to learn what happens. Quantrill
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Old February 3, 2001, 08:45 PM   #10
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I say once the cows are on your land and causing trouble take out your old 30-06 and put a bullet in one's head and have a bull roast J. when the cows owner sees the cow numbers going down he will take care of the cow problem on his own and fast.If he says anything about you shooting a few cows just hand him a big bill for all the distraction that his cows did to your land, crops, and your time to chase the cows off your land along with anything else you can think of. This bill should off set the price ofa few of his cows.
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