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Old August 20, 2011, 09:10 PM   #1
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ok guys whats your say Zero or Montanagold for bullet choice

ok whats your thoughts on the two.been looking at them both and cannot choose.like the looks for both,and both look just like or close to a Hornady XTP.they will be shot from an EMP 9mm.I really like the 124gn weight from this pistol.so Ideas and real life use would be what makes the call for me.a $14 price difference is the only thing keeping me from choose.your thoughts will help.

and yes I do know from seaching that many like the Montanagolds but really haven't read why.just the price keeps comeing up.both sale 1000 pcs with a $14 difference.need feed back to what happens with loads.copper in barrel or how the really work for those who have shoot them both.

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Old August 20, 2011, 09:33 PM   #2
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If you haven't tried 100 of each it might be time to do so. Or try 1000 of the cheaper one and see if your pistol likes it. No idea what you're using them for, that can be a factor as well.
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Old August 21, 2011, 12:09 AM   #3
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Get whatever bullet is cheaper. The majority of brand loyalty with pistol bullets for target shooting stems from fanboyism.


For instance, I buy Missouri Bullet Co. leadcast for shooting 45 acp. Are they the best? How the hell should I know. They work and were the cheapest I could get due to them being made not far from me. Pistols shoot 25 yards....it's more likely your fault if you can't hit something.
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Old August 21, 2011, 12:42 AM   #4
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like the looks for both,and both look just like or close to a Hornady XTP.
While they may look similar, the Zero and MG bullets are nothing like the Hornady XTP. The Zero and MG bullets are not designed to expand like the XTP. They were designed more for target shooting, where the hollow point provides a higher ballistic coefficient by moving the center of gravity closer to the rear of the bullet.

If you are target shooting, get the Zero or MG, whichever is cheaper. If you are making defensive ammunition, get the XTP's.
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Old August 21, 2011, 07:49 AM   #5
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You have to test both and fine out for yourself which is better for you, if either. We don’t know your powder type, charge weight, case maker, primer, type of shooting, and so on. I have a friend who swears by his home cast and shoots well with them, I just don’t care for them, even in his gun.
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Old August 21, 2011, 09:35 AM   #6
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I use them both. I get Zero brand when they are in stock and the MG when they are not. If you want the Zero, act now cuz they will be gone soon. And yes, the MG JHP is almost identical to the XTP in shape and size, but not equal as far as expansion goes.
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Old August 21, 2011, 12:43 PM   #7
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If you're talking about the Zero brand made in Cullman, AL, you can melt them down and make real bullets out of them.
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Old August 21, 2011, 12:44 PM   #8
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thanks guys to your replies.I am sorry for not adding enough info.I just want a good shooting bullet for the money.when I got a Powdervalley cat. in the other day I came across the Zero brand.

I will be useing one of the two for just shooting at papper.will only use a factory for the other.the other reason for wanting to use one or the other is because of my pistol being an EMP.I have found like many others it shoots a ball like or almost like ball bullet the best.and haveing shoot a factory that has the same bullet shape as the ZERO and Montana.just feel that they will work as good.

one thing that comes to mind is that some have said that the Montana's have hard brass jackets rather than copper.just wanted to know to how they shoot while running alot of them.just seems to me that a brass jacket will ( copper the bore faster)would think this is why they do not open up good.thats why I asked about the Zero bullets.

my load so fare is a 124gn remmy hp or a 115gn fmj with 4.8gn's of HP38 CCI primmer in win or rem brass.even have cbc and fed brass.don't really think the make of brass matters that much.not a hot load.or it does not seem to be in my pistol.

ok to the jackel.I am just an old boy from the farm.so spelling and such does not matter to me.so if I came across to you in some bad way I did not mean to.I just like to shoot alot and roll my own loads for both riffel and this one pistol.one way to look at it is this.just don't answer or read the post.then you want have any reason to post as you did.but most of the time I do pay close eye to what I say or ask.just didn't do it this time.not trying to **** off any of you.just think its child like for an adult to post as you did.

again I thank those who posted.( all ) its sites like this one and many others that are great to have.we reloaders learn ever day something that we can use or not.
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Old August 21, 2011, 02:21 PM   #9
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If you're talking about the Zero brand made in Cullman, AL, you can melt them down and make real bullets out of them.
You just going to through out a zinger like that and walk away, or are you going to elaborate a bit?
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Old August 21, 2011, 03:24 PM   #10
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Wleoff: If you're talking about the Zero brand made in Cullman, AL, you can melt them down and make real bullets out of them.
I've used a LOT of Zero bullets in 9, 40 & 45. No complaints whatsoever with the bullets themselves. I do wish their production capabilities were greater so that they would not be out of stock as often as it seems. Then again, I suppose that goes to show you the desirability of their product.

Can't for the life of me rationalize the comment quoted above.
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Old August 22, 2011, 05:45 PM   #11
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I have shot 3 cases of Montana Gold 9mm 124g HP. I am on my forth case. I did find out that HP's are more accurate in my pistols. I believe this is due to the fact that the base of the bullet is more consistent than the base of FMJ. But, that's just my guess.
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Old August 22, 2011, 07:49 PM   #12
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Hey guys I thank ya'll for your feed back.I guess I will be trying the Montanagolds.Heck I may even get the Zeros.Time will tell.Again thanks.
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Old August 22, 2011, 08:01 PM   #13
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I do wish their production capabilities were greater so that they would not be out of stock as often as it seems. Then again, I suppose that goes to show you the desirability of their product.-PCJim

They used to make a premium reloaded ammo that was pretty popular among PPC shooters. Component bullets were messy to load but excellent performers as well. Damn good stuff when you could get it. Haven't tried them recently but I suspect they've been around at least 30 years, that should say something.
OTOH I've got some highly regarded commercial cast slugs (not even boolits in my book) waiting to be cast into something useful.
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Old August 23, 2011, 12:14 PM   #14
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I've been pretty happy with the MGs that I've shot in .40 S&W and 9mm Luger.

After more than a few failed attempts at trying to get my hands on some Zeros, I gave up. I was afraid I might like 'em and would never be able to get more. Due to their rarity I figured I was better off not knowing.
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Old August 23, 2011, 12:15 PM   #15
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You just going to through out a zinger like that and walk away, or are you going to elaborate a bit?

About 11 years ago, I started shooting SASS. I hadn't started reloading, at the time, so I bought a bunch of the cheapest ammo available, Zero. I hadn't decided which caliber that I was going to use, but I bought nearly a case of Zero 38 Special. The first round in the SA fired okay. The second sounded like a cap pistol. We opened it up and found no damage, but a lot of soot. The next round, we ran thru a chronograph. It did 340 FPS. For some reason, I kept two of the boxes. If you notice, in the photograph, about half the cases in each box are nickel and half brass. Really good quality control. We pulled the bullets on the rest of the cases and found several different kinds of powder. I gave the bullets to a friend to melt down. He said that they couldn't be worst than tire weights.



I thru in a picture of the price tag, just to show that they weren't bought yesterday.



Here's the rest of the story. Recently, a friend of mine saw the two Zero boxes in my reloading room. He said that about two years ago, he bought a bunch of Zero to break in two 45 ACP 1911s. The old 200 rounds to break one in. The first round he fired was okay, but the second was real loud. When he pulled the magazine, all the bullets in the magazine had been driven back into the cases because of little to no crimp. This really makes good bombs with any luck.

Now I know one reloading editor that lives next door to the Zero manager. This editor is always building up Zero in their magazine, because he gets free Zero bullets for reloading. Until I saw some of your replies, I had never hear anyone say anything positive about Zero except for this editor. Too each his own.
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Old August 23, 2011, 04:11 PM   #16
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Sorry to hear about your bad experience with Zero Ammunition, The OP was about Zero Bullets. Have you had any bad experiences with them?

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all the bullets in the magazine had been driven back into the cases because of little to no crimp.
Sorry, but the crimp on a 45 ACP is not there to secure the bullet, only to remove the flare. If there was significant bullet set-back it wasn't from the amount of crimp.
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Old August 23, 2011, 04:22 PM   #17
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man I am sorry to hear of this.one would think that they could do something about it.might just be something to look into.

but thanks for telling us what you had encountered.make one think a littel less of their product.
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Old August 23, 2011, 05:02 PM   #18
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Also got the Powder Valley catalog a few days ago, but you're choice is limited if you plan on buying from them. No MG and the 124 gr. Zeros are out of stock and have been for a while. From what I read, this appears to be a problem with the Zero bullets - lack of supply.
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