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Old July 19, 2011, 03:42 PM   #1
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Double tap .45acp 185 nosler jhp

Double tap .45acp 185 nosler jhp, any opinions out there on this one?
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Old July 24, 2011, 08:41 AM   #2
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In my opinion the bullet weight is incorrect for 45 ACP people-shooting.
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Old July 24, 2011, 11:14 AM   #3
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I'm not a big fan of 185gr 45acp for SD either. poor sectional density can lead to poor penatration also nosler pistol bullets tend to be lighter constructed and they're not bonded. IMHO there are better loads out there.
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Old July 24, 2011, 01:10 PM   #4
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While I think 185gr .45 ACP loadings are generally OK, I much prefer a 200gr or better yet a 230gr loading. The <200gr .45 ACP loadings are mainly a product of early JHP ammo. Many first and second generation JHP bullets simply could not reliably expand at velocities much under 1000fps, so the ammo makers were forced to use lighter bullets in order to reach a velocity that would ensure reliable expansion. The drawback is that a light-for-caliber bullet generally penetrates less than a comparable loading with a heavier slug. Modern JHP's, however, do not suffer so much from unreliable expansion at comparatively low velocities (the threshold for reliable expansion today seems to be about 800fps) and as such, a 200-230gr .45 ACP loading will offer both excellent expansion and better penetration.

Another consideration is that, because 230gr is the standard weight in .45 ACP, most handguns have their sights regulated for bullets of that weight. Generally, 200gr bullets won't have a significantly lower POI than 200gr bullets at typical handgun range (25 yards or less) but bullets much lighter than that often shoot quite low. This isn't as huge an issue if your gun has adjustable sights, but most combat/self-defense oriented .45's have fixed sights. Also, most of the inexpensive "range ammo" in this caliber uses 230gr FMJ bullets. By choosing a 230gr JHP, you are more likely to be able to find both an economical practice load and a carry load that shoot to the same POI without requiring adjustment of your sights.
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Old July 26, 2011, 03:15 PM   #5
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Would not suggest Double Tap ammo for self defense.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=26026

Almost all the better-performing .45 ACP loads are 230gr, aside from the unusual Barnes all-copper bullet.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De...dex.htm#.45ACP
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Old July 26, 2011, 04:39 PM   #6
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I have never shot Nosler's 185 grain .45 caliber bullets; however, I have shot Hornady's 200 grain XTP through my Smith & Wesson 625 in the hunting field. I was hunting boar with dogs, so my shot was point blank. The bullet entered in front of the right shoulder and traveled diagonally about twelve inched. It lodged under the skin on the opposite side between the jaw bone and the ear. The boar never moved.

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Old July 26, 2011, 08:14 PM   #7
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185 gr. bullets in a .45 ACP is for girls to shoot paper with.
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Old July 27, 2011, 11:10 PM   #8
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185 gr is fine. Stop being a bunch of dumb fudds.

Read this:
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

I would get some Federal HST or Winchester RA45T from ammo2go or order some loaded with Barnes DPX such as Cor Bon.
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Old July 28, 2011, 04:48 AM   #9
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185g is NOT "fine"

Its sectional density is lacking, and insufficient penetration can occur.

See, you read this on the 'net, too.
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Old July 28, 2011, 07:37 PM   #10
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185 gr is fine. Stop being a bunch of dumb fudds.

Read this:
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

I would get some Federal HST or Winchester RA45T from ammo2go or order some loaded with Barnes DPX such as Cor Bon.
You just posted the short version of the article I just posted...were almost all the recommended loads use 230gr bullets. The one exception is that copper Barnes bullet I already noted.

Great job there chief.
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