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Old April 16, 2011, 06:59 AM   #1
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Ithaca 1911 A1

Alright folks,
Let me just say my wife is one of a kind. For our anniversary this year she bought me an Ithaca 1911 A1. She happened across one for sale for $300 and bought it. She presented the weapon to me yesterday and within 20 minutes, I was out back and put 3 mags ammo through it. The weapon is tight, no rattle and dead on. It grouped 7 rounds in within 2 inches at 12 yards. Enough of the gloating.
My question is, how can I get the history of this weapon? I have checked multiple sights regarding the serial number. Mine is not listed. The closest I could find is 856XXX mine starts 356XXX. I have emailed Ithaca and asked if they had any history of the weapon. Could this been an after wartime clone, or a replacement frame? Either way, the weapon functions flawlessly and will be a daily carry for me.
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Old April 16, 2011, 07:02 AM   #2
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A tight fitting war gun??? Keep looking into it. Heckuva deal and wife btw.
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Old April 16, 2011, 07:36 AM   #3
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Seems that you have a "mix 'n' match" WWI Colt 1911 frame with a replacement WWII Ithaca slide that got put on sometime during the course of its life.

356xxx would put the production of the frame in 1918 by Colt. Even 856xxx would still be Colt production, albeit WWII 1943 vintage. Ithaca serial numbers in WWII didn't start until 1208674.

The possibilities for your gun would be a WWII rebuild at one of the arsenals, or something that someone just put together with surplus parts.

Pictures of the gun would help. Are the initials "AA" or "RIA" stamped on the frame?
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Old April 16, 2011, 08:11 AM   #4
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I was thinking the same thing. The only stamp on the frame is the serial number. Ithaca is stamped on the slide. M1911 A1 US Army is very faint on the slide. The letter P is stamped on top of the slide in front of the rear sight. I will get pictures up as soon as I can.
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Old April 16, 2011, 09:23 AM   #5
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I'm with others, I think you have a Ithaca slide on a Colt frame.

There was always parts switching on 1911s, thats the way they were designed.

Let me give an example of what happens, (and this is just me, there were hundreds if not thousands of soldiers like me).

Back in 1966 I was going through MP AIT. I screwed up and got to spend the weekend with another "screw-up" cleaning hundreds of 1911a1s. We had an assembly line set up where we stripped the guns, put the parts in piles, cleaned then and started putting them back together not taking into account of what part goes with what gun.

Fast forward, years later I was running the Marksmanship Unit for the Alaska National Guard. I ordered an received about 40 1911a1s to issue to units to use in "combat matches" where as issued pistols had to be used. I wanted to keep some for the State Team, or the unit chose to represent our state. I had some of my best pistol shooters go through all the guns, switching parts until they came up with 6 shooters, again, not caring what parts went with which receiver.

This has been going on since the 1911s came out. I don't think it distracts for the value of the 1911, but it makes me question statements when someone says they have an "original 1911/1911a1 with matching parts". I don't think there is such animal.

So Cherish you 1911a1, thank your wife, you truly have a treasure. Mine is a Union Switch and Single slide on a colt slide, and its a shooter. The USGI 1911/1911a1s are getting hard to find, and expensive (your misses got a great buy). It will be a great piece to pass down to your kids and grandkids.
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Old April 16, 2011, 09:48 AM   #6
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Thanks for the info guys. Heckuva gun with a great history.
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Old April 16, 2011, 11:20 PM   #7
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M1911 A1 US Army is very faint on the slide.
The fact that "1911 A1 US ARMY" is stamped on the slide makes it a replacement slide. Whether it was done at an ordnance depot or by someone in the last 65 years or so will never be known.

I take it you didn't find any tiny "AA" or "RIA" stamps on the frame?
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Old April 17, 2011, 07:57 AM   #8
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GI 1911

I agree with Kraig. In the late 60's we'd often group clean weapons and the 1911 was no exception. The M-14 was an exception in that the bolt would only properly fit your weapon, so they were never group cleaned. I don't recall any of us ever considering the 1911 as anything more than a tool to get a job done, much like a carpenter looks at a hammer. Now a days everyone refers to the gun as a 1911. In the units I was in, if you went to the arms room to be issued a weapon you asked for a 22 (Ruger), 38(generally a Ruger, but could be a Smith), 45, 16, 60, shotgun or elephant gun (M-79).
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Old April 17, 2011, 03:52 PM   #9
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356XXX is a 1918 Colt serial number. Does your receiver have the A1 "scallop" cuts behind the trigger on each side of the receiver?

It certainly appears that you have a mixmaster, of some sort. Possible arsenal rework, possible field rebuild, or maybe just a bubba mixmaster.
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Old April 17, 2011, 04:19 PM   #10
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I had an Augusta Arsenal rework with Ithaca slide and transitional Colt frame circa 1924. It was a very reliable and accurate pistol. Wish I still had it. My sometimes faulty memory says the Augusta Arsenal was very busy making good ones out of worn ones in the 1950's.
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Old April 17, 2011, 04:35 PM   #11
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Sound's like the wife, (and pistol), are Both keepers.....

I have almost the same pistol. It's a early commercial frame, c871xx. with a Ithica WW2 slide. It was one of the pistols that was sold in the 60's, thu the DCM, for $25.00. Alas, the gent who bought it, had it blued sometime in the 70's and put a set of after market sights on. It's a fine shooter tho..

I didn't realize it was a 1911 for years, as I thought it was a 1911a1..
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Old April 17, 2011, 06:14 PM   #12
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Here is a pic. Not a very good one. And no, I didn't find any markings.
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