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Old March 30, 2011, 03:03 AM   #1
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Question on two different rear sights on 1858 revolving carbine.

The Uberti 1858 Remington revolving carbine has the rear leaf sight attached to the barrel forward of the cylinder like this...


But I recently saw an 1858 revolving carbine with an adjustable rear sight that looks a lot like a Pietta adjustable rear sight located on the receiver just forward of the hammer like this....





So I don't think it would be another version of the Uberti. I've never seen an Uberti with a rear sight on their revolving carbines like that.

I don't remember Pietta manufacturing the 1858 revolving carbine but that doesn't mean they didn't, just that I don't remember them doing it.

Can anyone ascertain exactly who manufactured this carbine and if it was/is as good as the Uberti?


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Old March 30, 2011, 07:26 AM   #2
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It may be intended for European sales only or a very early model?? Sure looks like the Uberti but the barrel and frame are different. Nice find, I'd buy it in a second. I'm not aware of anyone but Uberti building the 1858 revolving carbine.
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Old March 30, 2011, 08:53 PM   #3
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Today I talked with the owner of that revolving carbine, and he said it is marked "Uberti" on the barrel. But it's still strange that I've never seen a top strap receiver mounted adjustable rear sight like that on any other Uberti revolving carbine.


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Old March 31, 2011, 01:30 AM   #4
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Did you learn what that carbine's date code is?
At least then you would be able to note the era when it was made.
Perhaps it was an early model with limited production, or just an attempt to make an improvement that didn't work out and thus was only temporary.
The sight does look like most standard 1858 target model sights which would save on production costs, but maybe it wasn't as well suited for use with the carbine.
That sight is held closer to the eye with the stock attached and may not be as clear as when the sight is located farther down the barrel.
Doesn't the current rear sight also have an adjustable stepped riser to increase its range of elevation compared to that standard revolver type sight?
Like they say, hindsight is 20/20 and maybe Uberti didn't test it thoroughly before that style of sight went into production or their engineers thought that it was adequate for most folks needs but then found that it wasn't ideal.

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Old March 31, 2011, 02:32 AM   #5
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Arcticap, the owner just told me that "Uberti" and other information was UNDER the barrel. I didn't ask him what other symbols or other details were UNDER the barrel. I did see some symbols on the right side of the frame though and one of them was a "CD" in a rectangle as you can see here....



It may be that the "CD" is the factory proof date code for the year 2009.

But I'm just going by this below scale supplied in an earlier thread by MyKeal, and I'm not sure if this scale is for all Italian BP revolvers or just for ASM's. Here's what MyKeal wrote regarding another member's ASM BP revolver on March 29, 2011 (couple of days ago) in the "Won a cap and ball revolver, need help" thread....

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It was manufactured by Armi San Marco (ASM), not Uberti.

There will be two Italian proof marks at various places on the gun; one consists of the letters PN under a 5 pointed star inside a garland, the other a shield under the same star/garland.

There will also be either a two letter code inside a square box or a roman numeral-like code without the box; this identifies the year when the gun was proofed by the Italian proof houses.

Here's the date decoder ring:

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Old March 31, 2011, 05:49 AM   #6
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That chart applies to any and all Italian made and proofed black powder firearms regardless of brand or manufacturer.
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Old March 31, 2011, 11:28 AM   #7
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The 2009 proof mark is quite a surprise.
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Old March 31, 2011, 02:44 PM   #8
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That whole rear sight thing is a puzzle to me - I can't imagine trying to get a decent sight picture with that thing so close my eyes. Even if I was a spring chicken, I don't think that I could focus on both sights and the target. Do you suppose that whatever company made that had a bunch of extra 1863 target model frames in stock?
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Old March 31, 2011, 04:41 PM   #9
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Carbine Sights

I have never seen this before but that doesn't mean anything. Will these variations never end. Hope not, a lot of mystery is what makes collecting these replicas fun. Uberti first introduced the Remington New Model Carbine in 1963. They offered it with 16", 18", and 20" barrels. I have never seen any except the 18" barrel. So far Uberti is the only manufacturer who made the Remington Carbine.
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Old April 1, 2011, 05:53 AM   #10
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Do you suppose that whatever company made that had a bunch of extra 1863 target model frames in stock?
That's what I was thinking, short on the fixed sight frames so they made a run with target sights.
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