What shotgun is he holding in photo?

museumguy · January 13, 2011, 06:19 PM

In this rather famous photo of the the Blank Panther Huey P. Newton, he is holding a shotgun-maybe a Mossberg 500? Persuader? The link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party
The photo is about halfway down the page. We want to include one in a museum exhibit and I need some help identifying it. Thanks!

Scorch · January 13, 2011, 06:38 PM

Looks more like a Remington 870. Note the oval ejection port.

SoilworK777 · January 13, 2011, 07:11 PM

What type of exhibit is it?

Mosinnagant · January 13, 2011, 07:41 PM

I agree with scorch it looks like an 870.

zippy13 · January 13, 2011, 07:44 PM

Anyone's guess is as good as another because of the general lack of detail. We can rule out any of the bottom electors because there's a side port visible. Scorch sees a lot more in the port than I do. I think I can see something going on in the front portion of the trigger guard, so that rules out a Mossberg. IINM, with the 870, the barrel clamp is a few inches back from the muzzle and we'd see the mag extension coupling. By the shape of the corn cob, trigger guard, barrel clamp, and date, I'm gonna hazard a wild guess that we're seeing a Winchester 1200 Defender or a High Standard FlightKing, Riot. If a "V" profile (or lack of) at the back of the receiver could be seen, we know a little more.

Scattergun Bob · January 13, 2011, 08:08 PM

My 2 cents is that this is a early High Standard 12 gauge Riot gun. Notice the mag tube is full length and seems to be attached to a barrel mount at the muzzle. Google High Standard riot guns and take a look.

Good Luck & Be Safe

zippy13 · January 13, 2011, 08:42 PM

Bob, my friend, if we could see just a little more detail of the muzzle we'd know if it a HS, or not. For now, it's the blind leading the blind.

Naterstein · January 13, 2011, 09:13 PM

I agree with Bob

(recently watched The Getaway with Steve McQueen who used one.)

TheKlawMan · January 13, 2011, 09:15 PM

For antother photo see http://www.nndb.com/people/175/000026097/ and this may be the same as the one on wikipedia http://media.photobucket.com/image/h...ewton.jpg?o=75

zippy13 · January 13, 2011, 11:01 PM

Thanks TheKlawMan, in the pic you found we can count the grooves/rings in the fore-wood. The gun in question has 14, IINM, High Standards had 14 and the 1200 had 12.

TheKlawMan · January 13, 2011, 11:16 PM

Welcome. I thought the rings may be a clue.

bbrian · January 14, 2011, 09:52 PM

I liked the part in Forrest Gump where Forrest says “I'm sorry I had to fight in the middle of your Black Panther party.” That was funny.

museumguy · January 17, 2011, 10:28 AM

Thank you all very much! Our museum exhibit is called "1968" A lot of stuff happened in 1968 including the forming of the Black Panthers. Is the High Standard Riot gun pretty rare?

Scattergun Bob · January 17, 2011, 12:46 PM

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Is the High Standard Riot gun pretty rare?

No, IMO this is a comon bargin basment fighting scattergun. That said, it filled the bill for civilian, prison and police needs. I do not remember this model being in military service.

Good Luck & Be Safe

January 13, 2011, 06:19 PM	#1
museumguy Junior Member Join Date: January 13, 2011 Posts: 4	What shotgun is he holding in photo? In this rather famous photo of the the Blank Panther Huey P. Newton, he is holding a shotgun-maybe a Mossberg 500? Persuader? The link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party The photo is about halfway down the page. We want to include one in a museum exhibit and I need some help identifying it. Thanks!

January 13, 2011, 06:38 PM	#2
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 11,029	Looks more like a Remington 870. Note the oval ejection port. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Taylor Machine

January 13, 2011, 08:08 PM	#6
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,185	My 2 cents is that this is a early High Standard 12 gauge Riot gun. Notice the mag tube is full length and seems to be attached to a barrel mount at the muzzle. Google High Standard riot guns and take a look. Good Luck & Be Safe __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

January 14, 2011, 09:52 PM	#12
bbrian Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 183	I liked the part in Forrest Gump where Forrest says “I'm sorry I had to fight in the middle of your Black Panther party.” That was funny. __________________ "I'll die before I surrender, Tim."

January 17, 2011, 10:28 AM	#13
museumguy Junior Member Join Date: January 13, 2011 Posts: 4	Thank you all! How rare is the High Standard? Thank you all very much! Our museum exhibit is called "1968" A lot of stuff happened in 1968 including the forming of the Black Panthers. Is the High Standard Riot gun pretty rare?

January 13, 2011, 07:11 PM	#3
SoilworK777 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 157	What type of exhibit is it?

January 13, 2011, 07:41 PM	#4
Mosinnagant Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: USA Posts: 75	I agree with scorch it looks like an 870.

January 13, 2011, 07:44 PM	#5
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,281	Anyone's guess is as good as another because of the general lack of detail. We can rule out any of the bottom electors because there's a side port visible. Scorch sees a lot more in the port than I do. I think I can see something going on in the front portion of the trigger guard, so that rules out a Mossberg. IINM, with the 870, the barrel clamp is a few inches back from the muzzle and we'd see the mag extension coupling. By the shape of the corn cob, trigger guard, barrel clamp, and date, I'm gonna hazard a wild guess that we're seeing a Winchester 1200 Defender or a High Standard FlightKing, Riot. If a "V" profile (or lack of) at the back of the receiver could be seen, we know a little more.

January 13, 2011, 08:42 PM	#7
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,281	Bob, my friend, if we could see just a little more detail of the muzzle we'd know if it a HS, or not. For now, it's the blind leading the blind.

January 13, 2011, 09:13 PM	#8
Naterstein Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2009 Location: Central KY Posts: 148	I agree with Bob (recently watched The Getaway with Steve McQueen who used one.)

January 13, 2011, 09:15 PM	#9
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,150	For antother photo see http://www.nndb.com/people/175/000026097/ and this may be the same as the one on wikipedia http://media.photobucket.com/image/h...ewton.jpg?o=75

January 13, 2011, 11:01 PM	#10
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,281	Thanks TheKlawMan, in the pic you found we can count the grooves/rings in the fore-wood. The gun in question has 14, IINM, High Standards had 14 and the 1200 had 12.

January 13, 2011, 11:16 PM	#11
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,150	Welcome. I thought the rings may be a clue.