The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting > Bullet Casting

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 5, 2011, 02:07 PM   #1
maillemaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2010
Posts: 1,056
Casting for black powder?

I've got a .44 caliber (came with .454 dia balls) CVA "Navy" blackpowder pistol. The cheap one with the brass frame.

I was going to buy a round ball mold for it, Lee 90442, but I was wondering if I can use wheelweight lead for such ammo? I heard that you should only use pure lead for blackpowder?

Also, Lee makes some conical bullet molds for black powder pistols, 90382 and 90382. Would one of these work also?

http://leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/.../blackpow.html

Steve
maillemaker is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 02:14 PM   #2
Stick_man
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2008
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 241
If you use the lead stick-on type weights you should be good. They are nearly pure, close enough to work well for the front stuffers. The clip-on type are a bit harder and most consider them to be too hard for this application.
Stick_man is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 04:42 PM   #3
Rifleman1776
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 25, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,309
Stick with pure soft lead. Check with a metal salvaging/recycling yard. Old x-ray lead is very good. Old electrical cable, plumbers, etc.
Takes some work and being resourceful to find but it is out there.
BTW, I use an old dutch oven for refining and recasting my scrounged lead into ingots. Just make sure the pot is never used for cooking.
Rifleman1776 is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 04:44 PM   #4
DiscoRacing
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2008
Location: milton, wv
Posts: 3,640
Quote:
Old x-ray lead is very good
got a door last year... whole thing...

... was aprox 250 lbs.... just the lead sheet.
__________________
Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______
----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red
-------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W
DiscoRacing is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 04:44 PM   #5
maillemaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2010
Posts: 1,056
I'm using an old dutch oven to melt my wheel weights. Worked great.

What about the lead from old car batteries?

Steve
maillemaker is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 04:47 PM   #6
DiscoRacing
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2008
Location: milton, wv
Posts: 3,640
I was always gonna check out the battery thing too...

... never got around to it yet.
__________________
Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______
----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red
-------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W
DiscoRacing is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 05:06 PM   #7
maillemaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2010
Posts: 1,056
Holy crap - where do you find x-ray doors???

Steve
maillemaker is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 05:07 PM   #8
DiscoRacing
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2008
Location: milton, wv
Posts: 3,640
I found this one layin in a guys backyard.... he said he wasnt sure what was in it... but it was very heavy...he didnt know it was in fact lead.
__________________
Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______
----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red
-------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W
DiscoRacing is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 05:12 PM   #9
maillemaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2010
Posts: 1,056
I guess I really need to break down and buy a hardness tester.

Steve
maillemaker is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 05:13 PM   #10
DiscoRacing
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2008
Location: milton, wv
Posts: 3,640
I dont have one either.... A friend a mine has one... so if im unsure I have to take a sample to him.... Guess I should get one also... cept for now I only use straight wheel weights..and I know they are ok for hardness.
__________________
Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______
----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red
-------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W
DiscoRacing is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 05:28 PM   #11
maillemaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2010
Posts: 1,056
They're supposedly great for standard bullets, but for black powder, you want soft stuff, so I've been told. If you're buying lead from weird sources like batteries or whatnot, you don't know what kind of alloy you have so you don't know if it's good for black powder or not.
maillemaker is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 07:15 PM   #12
AlaskaMike
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 26, 2005
Posts: 906
Quote:
What about the lead from old car batteries?
Don't mess with battery lead! You might be able to do something with the posts after cleaning them real good with baking soda, but never mess with the plates.
AlaskaMike is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 09:47 PM   #13
maillemaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2010
Posts: 1,056
Quote:
Don't mess with battery lead! You might be able to do something with the posts after cleaning them real good with baking soda, but never mess with the plates.
Why not?

Steve
maillemaker is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 10:39 PM   #14
Stick_man
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2008
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 241
Battery plates have nasty chemicals that become very (did I mention VERY?) toxic when melting them down. For the amount of actual usable lead you get, it is just not worth the hassle, even if it wasn't that toxic. Terminal ends are fine after being cleaned up with the baking soda.

The lead stick-on wheelweights are generally considered pure and are easily soft enough for the muzzleloaders. The Fe and Zn ones are not. The clip-on weights contain both tin and antimony and yield a hardness sufficient for even most magnum handgun loads.
Stick_man is offline  
Old January 5, 2011, 11:47 PM   #15
maillemaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2010
Posts: 1,056
Quote:
Battery plates have nasty chemicals that become very (did I mention VERY?) toxic when melting them down. For the amount of actual usable lead you get, it is just not worth the hassle, even if it wasn't that toxic.
What chemicals are present besides sulfuric acid?

Steve
maillemaker is offline  
Old January 6, 2011, 12:00 AM   #16
maillemaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2010
Posts: 1,056
Well, it looks like car batteries are straight out.

Here is an excellent article as to why it is dangerous to try and melt down car batteries. Long and short of it: melting them releases arsine and stibine, which can kill at 50 parts per million. 10 parts per million is said to be used to fumigate for mice.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=40769

Steve
maillemaker is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:52 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.11857 seconds with 9 queries