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Old October 17, 2010, 04:54 PM   #51
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This is absolutely NOT true. See item 2. of my post above.
Until your post, no one was talking about someone donating cash to another person so that person could then purchase a firearm for himself--the topic was person A wanting a firearm and person B buying it in place of person A and for person A, presumably (although not necessarily) because person A is a disqualified person.

Yes, if I want a gun and someone decides to give me the money to buy it for myself that's fine as long as I fill out the 4473 (if it's a purchase from an FFL).

My response was based on the assumption that we were still discussing straw purchases and filling out 4473 forms.
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Old October 18, 2010, 01:55 AM   #52
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This is absolutely NOT true. See item 2. of my post above.

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Until your post, no one was talking about someone donating cash to another person so that person could then purchase a firearm for himself--the topic was person A wanting a firearm and person B buying it in place of person A and for person A, presumably (although not necessarily) because person A is a disqualified person.

Yes, if I want a gun and someone decides to give me the money to buy it for myself that's fine as long as I fill out the 4473 (if it's a purchase from an FFL).

My response was based on the assumption that we were still discussing straw purchases and filling out 4473 forms.
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my response began with post 25. later with 33 and 45.
all of my responses are directly related to what does and what does not constitute a straw purchase.

No one has mentioned donating cash. I believe you are twisting things a bit.

My last comment was in response to your reply, the first sentence of post 49. It does not seem like you are reading these posts before replying.

I stand by my answers and believe you simply replied with a partially wrong answer.
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Old October 18, 2010, 10:38 PM   #53
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No one has mentioned donating cash.
I didn't think so either. Maybe I misunderstood Aguila Blanca's comment but I took it to mean that the second person was making the purchase in place of the first, not that the first person was making the purchase with money from the second. That's why I didn't understand why you made these comments.
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The source of the money to pay for the gun is completely immaterial.
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A person could buy a firearm by cash from another persons wallet, purse or credit card.
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Old October 19, 2010, 02:25 AM   #54
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No one has mentioned donating cash.

I didn't think so either. Maybe I misunderstood Aguila Blanca's comment but I took it to mean that the second person was making the purchase in place of the first, not that the first person was making the purchase with money from the second. That's why I didn't understand why you made these comments.
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The source of the money to pay for the gun is completely immaterial.

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A person could buy a firearm by cash from another persons wallet, purse or credit card.
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I appreciate you taking the time to have a second look.
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Old October 19, 2010, 02:42 PM   #55
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Wow! I think i may be even more confused after reading all of that. I can certainly see why somebody might feel that current ATF requirements don't match up with the whole "shall not be infringed" deal. :barf:
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Old October 19, 2010, 03:06 PM   #56
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It's really not as complicated as we're making it.

To summarize for the OP:
  1. Never buy on someone else's behalf from an FFL. Never be the "someone else" in this scenario either, since then you would be "aiding and abetting".
  2. It's OK to buy on someone else's behalf in a private sale - as long as all the normal requirements for a private sale, both state and federal, are met. When the time comes to actually give the firearm to the "someone else", the normal rules of transfer apply (they are the same as the rules that applied when you actually received the firearm from the seller)

Let the ATF and the media call whatever they want whatever they want - just be honest on form 4473 and never play any part in getting a gun into someone else's hands if they're prohibited.
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