Dry Lubes

Blair · September 7, 2010, 07:45 PM

Wasn't sure where to post this question.

Does anyone use a dry silicon lube on the actions of their firearms? The light oil I am using sure attracts the dust and I have a lot of dust in my area.

Also can I use it for spraying on my casings before resizing?

jaguarxk120 · September 7, 2010, 08:04 PM

Silcone is not good for resizing cases, unless you want stck cases. What is needed is a hight flim strength lube, a wax based type like Imperial is one of the best as so little is required for sizing.

As for oils there will be 20-30 responses as to what is the best type to use. If you have a lot of dust then you have to clean more often, there is no magic lube that will perform like oil, stay dry and keep your guns lubericated.

Scorch · September 8, 2010, 02:47 AM

You can use dry lubes on the action, plenty of people do. I use a spray-on PTFE lube I bought at Home Depot, and there are many others. I have used Militec, which goes on wet and dries into a dry film. I do not like silicone lubes, they do not lubricate well, and the residue is hard to get off of metal parts in order to properly lube them.

plateshooter · September 8, 2010, 05:07 AM

I also use the PTFE dry lube from Home Depot on 22 semi auto handguns. I work at a NRA qualification program in the summer months and see a lot of 22 semi autos get jammed up due to residue mixing with oils and gumming up the guns. Many of these shooters are not really into maintaining their pistols and some of them haven't cleaned their pistols in years. A good flush and application of the dry lube, and they are good to go for the rest of the season.

Blair · September 8, 2010, 08:57 AM

Thanks all. Sounds like I might stick with the oil and put up with the dust.

johnbt · September 8, 2010, 09:55 AM

I use TW-25B.

I'll let someone far more qualified comment on how it works in dusty environments.

http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-...n-lubrication/

**Unclenick** · September 8, 2010, 03:49 PM

Blair,

There are some alternatives I can suggest. One is a 3-day soak in Sprinco Plate+ Silver. This is a permanent lube on the microscopic level. It even stands up to lubing rifle bores. It is a NASA patent extremely thin liquid with an acid-neutralized colloidal suspension of micronized molybdenum disulphide. It bonds a synthetic lube semi-permanently to the metal with the moly fine enough that it goes into microscopic surface imperfections and stays there. You can wipe it completely dry to the touch, but it will stay there. It is often used in conjunction with oil but provides a good surface for rejecting the adhesion of fouling and it dry to the touch and keeps the metal sliding after oil is gone. The moly will, however, darken a porous finish like Parkerizing, so be aware of that possibility. It doesn't show on blued surfaces. It works with ferrous metals only, having no effect on aluminum.

Another product that has gained popularity in the military is Gunzilla. They claim 75% malfunction reductions in the sandbox for users of the product. This stuff is one of the best carbon solvents I've found. Wet a caked up gun with it today and let it sit overnight, and tomorrow even hard carbon like you see in rifle gas pistons is softened. The stuff is vegetable oil based and was originally developed to be used by armorers whose skin is exposed to cleaners all day. Where it differs from other carbon softeners is what little remains after you dry patch it or wipe away excess then dries to leave a thin protective lubricating varnish.

One of the best dry lube products I've played with is Moly Fusion from Shooters Solutions. It takes the most work to apply and has the greatest effect on the the steel appearance, but it works well. I've treated whole loading presses and other items with it. They lose all rubbing friction and just glide. Bright, plain steel is darkened, but the dark place feels very waxy. Steel glides over it, and it is permanent. It also works on aluminum, which it does not darken, but whitens ever so slightly if you look at it in just the right light. The maker has a testimonial printed from someone claiming steel rifle sizing dies treated with it requires no case lube. I haven't tried that. Too chicken. It will lube a bore and last up to 1000 rounds, so it's pretty tough.

Don P · September 9, 2010, 06:45 AM

Eezox

john1969 · September 19, 2010, 05:31 PM

Unclenick...did you or know of anyone using moly fusion on A R type carriers? Thanks

September 7, 2010, 07:45 PM	#1
Blair Member Join Date: November 18, 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 36	Dry Lubes Wasn't sure where to post this question. Does anyone use a dry silicon lube on the actions of their firearms? The light oil I am using sure attracts the dust and I have a lot of dust in my area. Also can I use it for spraying on my casings before resizing?

September 8, 2010, 02:47 AM	#3
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	You can use dry lubes on the action, plenty of people do. I use a spray-on PTFE lube I bought at Home Depot, and there are many others. I have used Militec, which goes on wet and dries into a dry film. I do not like silicone lubes, they do not lubricate well, and the residue is hard to get off of metal parts in order to properly lube them. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

September 8, 2010, 05:07 AM	#4
plateshooter Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 1999 Location: N.E. Ohio Posts: 522	I also use the PTFE dry lube from Home Depot on 22 semi auto handguns. I work at a NRA qualification program in the summer months and see a lot of 22 semi autos get jammed up due to residue mixing with oils and gumming up the guns. Many of these shooters are not really into maintaining their pistols and some of them haven't cleaned their pistols in years. A good flush and application of the dry lube, and they are good to go for the rest of the season. __________________ Make a hole

September 8, 2010, 03:49 PM	#7
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,057	Blair, There are some alternatives I can suggest. One is a 3-day soak in Sprinco Plate+ Silver. This is a permanent lube on the microscopic level. It even stands up to lubing rifle bores. It is a NASA patent extremely thin liquid with an acid-neutralized colloidal suspension of micronized molybdenum disulphide. It bonds a synthetic lube semi-permanently to the metal with the moly fine enough that it goes into microscopic surface imperfections and stays there. You can wipe it completely dry to the touch, but it will stay there. It is often used in conjunction with oil but provides a good surface for rejecting the adhesion of fouling and it dry to the touch and keeps the metal sliding after oil is gone. The moly will, however, darken a porous finish like Parkerizing, so be aware of that possibility. It doesn't show on blued surfaces. It works with ferrous metals only, having no effect on aluminum. Another product that has gained popularity in the military is Gunzilla. They claim 75% malfunction reductions in the sandbox for users of the product. This stuff is one of the best carbon solvents I've found. Wet a caked up gun with it today and let it sit overnight, and tomorrow even hard carbon like you see in rifle gas pistons is softened. The stuff is vegetable oil based and was originally developed to be used by armorers whose skin is exposed to cleaners all day. Where it differs from other carbon softeners is what little remains after you dry patch it or wipe away excess then dries to leave a thin protective lubricating varnish. One of the best dry lube products I've played with is Moly Fusion from Shooters Solutions. It takes the most work to apply and has the greatest effect on the the steel appearance, but it works well. I've treated whole loading presses and other items with it. They lose all rubbing friction and just glide. Bright, plain steel is darkened, but the dark place feels very waxy. Steel glides over it, and it is permanent. It also works on aluminum, which it does not darken, but whitens ever so slightly if you look at it in just the right light. The maker has a testimonial printed from someone claiming steel rifle sizing dies treated with it requires no case lube. I haven't tried that. Too chicken. It will lube a bore and last up to 1000 rounds, so it's pretty tough. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

September 9, 2010, 06:45 AM	#8
Don P Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Swamp dweller Posts: 6,187	Eezox __________________ *NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate* *As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.*

September 7, 2010, 08:04 PM	#2
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,619	Silcone is not good for resizing cases, unless you want stck cases. What is needed is a hight flim strength lube, a wax based type like Imperial is one of the best as so little is required for sizing. As for oils there will be 20-30 responses as to what is the best type to use. If you have a lot of dust then you have to clean more often, there is no magic lube that will perform like oil, stay dry and keep your guns lubericated.

September 8, 2010, 08:57 AM	#5
Blair Member Join Date: November 18, 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 36	Thanks all. Sounds like I might stick with the oil and put up with the dust.

September 8, 2010, 09:55 AM	#6
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,004	I use TW-25B. I'll let someone far more qualified comment on how it works in dusty environments. http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-...n-lubrication/

September 19, 2010, 05:31 PM	#9
john1969 Junior Member Join Date: January 7, 2010 Location: PA Posts: 12	Unclenick...did you or know of anyone using moly fusion on A R type carriers? Thanks __________________ Boston's Gun Bible........javelin press One Nation Under surveillance...javelin press

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