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Old December 1, 2000, 10:39 PM   #1
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Just picked up an old Standard Arms rifle in .30 Rem Rimless and I need some load data. I can't find a thing in any of the currrent manuals but I found a referance to some data in the Speer No. 8 which I don't have anymore. I would appreciate any info anyone might have.
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Old December 1, 2000, 11:27 PM   #2
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Steelbuster, the following data for the .30 remington appears in Cartridges Of The World - 8th Edition:

1. 150gr. SP bullet, 35.5grs. of IMR 4895 produces 2350 f/s muzzle velocity & 1840 fpe muzzle energy.

2. 150gr. SP bullet, 36.0grs. of IMR 4320 produces 2320 f/s muzzle velocity & 1794 fpe muzzle energy.

3. 170gr. SP bullet, 30.0grs. of IMR 3031 produces 2115 f/s muzzle velocity & 1690 fpe muzzle energy.

4. 170gr. SP bullet, 33.0grs. of IMR 4895 produces 2145 f/s muzzle velocity & 1735 fpe muzzle energy.

The .30 Remington is listed as having a case length of 2.03" and an overall cartridge length of 2.54". Hope this helps!

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Old December 2, 2000, 12:01 AM   #3
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The .30 Remington is basically a rimless .30/30 Winchester. If you can't find specific data for this caliber, the .30/30 data is interchangable...but of course that does not mean that some listed loads may be too hot. I would proceed, but with due caution---as always.
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Old December 2, 2000, 12:14 AM   #4
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Thanks Steven and River.. Just what the Dr. ordered.
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Old December 2, 2000, 02:26 AM   #5
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A Standard Arms rifle? What the heck is that? If it's what I'm thinking it is, it may not be worth messing with...
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Old December 2, 2000, 09:34 AM   #6
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Standard Arms operated off & on from about 1909-1914 located in Wilmington, Delaware. They produced two different models of rifle. The Model G Autoloader (which could be operated as semiauto or slide action) and the Model M which was slide-action only. The Model G holds the distinction of being the first gas operated rifle made in the USA. Today this rifle in excellent condition could be worth about $400-$475.

Steelbuster, if you need replacement parts for the Model G try contacting Gun Parts Corporation. Hope this helps!

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Old December 2, 2000, 02:20 PM   #7
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My Speer #9 and Hornady Vol II say the 30-30 is interchangable with the 30 Rem,which agrees with everything I've ever understood.....

.... but for some odd reason Winchester's Ball powder manual gives maxes for Win 748 powder as 2 grains lower for the 30 Rem, but 2.4 grains higher for the 30 Rem when loaded with Win 760..... go figure?

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Old December 2, 2000, 03:39 PM   #8
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Thanks Steven and Tom. Great Info. Steven, I really appreciate the historical data. This was my Grandfathers gun and it is in very good shape. I would Like to shoot it and have ordered some brass and Dies.
If you come across any thing else on the rifle I would be very interested...especially any info on disassembly of the upper reciever( bolt, operating rods, etc). I have posted to Harly's board but no reply yet.
Tom, The Win data sounds typical doesn't it? I guess thats why I never try to cook up my own loads.
Thanks again Guys
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Old December 3, 2000, 08:53 AM   #9
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Winchester's data limits the 30 Rem/170gr to 30.0 grains of Win 748 (2000fps), way below what every other book I own list for 30-30 data (Hornady Vol II went as high as 34.4).

Winchester's data for the 30 Rem/170gr was 35.0 of Win 760(2095fps), more in line with other sources (highest from other sources was 37 grs with normal primers, and 33.5grs with magnum primers.)

Win's data for their 748 powder seems conservative, but if there is a reason for a limit they have a way of finding it. They test muzzle up/down, +140F/ -40F, never exceed 95% of SAAMI at 70F, 110% of SAAMI at other extremes, etc, etc...

I don't think you'd be taking any chances if you fed your heirloom a diet of their loads.

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Old December 3, 2000, 11:00 PM   #10
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Thanks Tom,
I'll add that to my data base. I would like to load very conservatively for the old gun but it's a gas operated autoloader and based on some info from another reader I may have trouble getting it to cycle.. we'll see .
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