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Old April 17, 2010, 12:36 AM   #1
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7 x 23 speedy ammo

Just to know what you think about this pretty new caliber 7 x 23 developed by a Police Special Unit engineer, Leonardo Penna.
Case height 1mm more than .45, diameter 7mm, .30 cal. circa.
Very penetrative (used counter car), little noise, no need of hearing protection, and other linked features.
Italian Police calls it micromissile. No recoil (like 22LR max), many rounds in the slim grip, low cost of ammo. Great for practice, they say.



and to know more, you can read here:

http://translate.google.it/translate...y%2520anymore.

Note: Google translation writes worse than me, is almost incomprehensible.

In conclusion my opinion is this ammo has uncertain future. And yours?
Thanks in advance.
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Old April 17, 2010, 08:42 AM   #2
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There is a similar 8mm cartridge being promoted by a Belgian company.

The idea seems to be a pistol just powerful enough (by somebody's standard) but with less recoil and taking ammunition different from any previous cartridge to prevent unauthorized shooting.
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Old April 17, 2010, 09:24 AM   #3
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Thanks Jim, I find interesting the aluminum-missile round and a gun so big [QS 102Kp, a Government clone with innovative solutions - link below] for a small bullet [12 in the mag] in contrast with today's powerful ammo fired by small pistols.
If there's a reason all that for, I can't see it yet.

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Old April 17, 2010, 09:48 AM   #4
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So I guess when this new round makes the 5.7 obsolete, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy will all get one!
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Old April 17, 2010, 10:23 AM   #5
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Interesting, a gun that's been out for 6 years and you can not purchase ammo or components for. A collectors item for sure.

From Jane's book on firearms.
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This 7 x 23 cartridge was developed by Leonardo Penna of Q.S. Progetta Meccanica S.a.S, for use in a self-loading pistol. The rimmed 7 x 28R was intended for use in a revolver, the 7 x 28 Penna L and 7 x 36 Penna E intended for carbines, while the 7 x 42 Penna MG was planned for a military rifle. Initially the production emphasis was on the 7 x 23 described here and this was undertaken by Penna, mass production by Fiocchi was also planned. Fiocchi has not thus far advertised the availability of the ammunition, and the current status of the Penna rounds is unclear.
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Old April 17, 2010, 02:01 PM   #6
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Cheapshooter...

Jim243, thanks for info.

Then, another great italian success [to forget]

Thanks everyone.
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Old April 17, 2010, 03:42 PM   #7
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Hey Giorgio, Don't slam ALL great things from Italy. I love my Beretta 92fs. My wife (maiden name Giaminetti), and of course Sophia Loren!
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Old April 17, 2010, 05:25 PM   #8
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My wife (maiden name Giaminetti)
Yeah yeah! And Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, Fiat, Ducati, above all PIZZA!!! Armani, Prada, Leonardo da Vinci, Cristoforo Colombo... and so on.
I hope for you that lady Giaminetti doesn't usually handle your Beretta at home.
In this case, good luck buddy.
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Old April 17, 2010, 07:45 PM   #9
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The linked forum post says a 15 gr. bullet at over 2100 fps. I'm having a hard time buying the 15 gr. part but that's what it clearly says and 15 grams is more in the neighborhood of a .45 ACP. Anyway that's giving around 38 spl. muzzle energies (give or take). So I'm not sure what the point it. At least it's better looking than the Rhino. :-)

ETA: Plenty of good stuff to love in Italy. But there's a really old joke they tell about how in heaven the engineers are German and the Italians are either the cooks or the lovers (I forget which but they ought to be both). And in hell the British are the cooks, the Germans are the lovers and the Italians are the engineers. There's definitely at least a little truth to the engineer part. :-)

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Old April 17, 2010, 08:38 PM   #10
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Not interested.

The idea seems to be to fire a mostly hollow aluminum or brass bullet at extremely high velocity.

It would probably be considered armor piercing.

Also, the ammo and pistol are completely and totally unavailable. I've had enough difficulty finding 7.62x25 locally, let alone something I've never even heard of before today.
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Old April 17, 2010, 09:51 PM   #11
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kozak6, I totally agree with you, even here it's hard to find either the weapon or ammo.

Kerberos, I know the old story-joke, but here we involve french people too.

I see Chiappa is still in your mind!
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Old April 17, 2010, 10:16 PM   #12
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Kerberos, I guess if our lovely Barbicatter will see this thread, she'll surely think the 7x23 is a trendy lipstick.

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Old April 19, 2010, 08:30 AM   #13
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Yeah, I know the French are supposed to figure into that story somewhere but I can never remember all the details. I think I've heard a couple different versions anyway over the years.

Back to the original question: I think this cartridge's future is very certain - most people in the world will go blissfully about their lives without ever even knowing it exists. At least the cartridge won't be lonely - plenty of cartridges have been invented and never gone anywhere.
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