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Old March 30, 2010, 09:47 AM   #51
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I was a fan of "Wanted Dead or Alive" with McQueen playing Josh Randall.You can still get a reasonable copy of the gun he carried.Called the "Mare's Leg" it is produced in Italy and for the legal people it'sproduced as a handgun so no SBR permit required
There's a great review of it in the current issue of Guns of the Old West. It looks like a lot of fun!
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Old March 30, 2010, 01:45 PM   #52
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Great, I'll have to pick up a copy,thanks.Dave
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Old March 31, 2010, 07:10 PM   #53
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I saw one of these older used guns at a local gun shop. I think that
it was made by Armi Chiappa (Armi Sport) and also that it was called
a "blanket gun" because it was designed to hide under the covers,
especially when bunking outside under the stars.

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Old April 1, 2010, 12:05 PM   #54
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Because of this thread I actually watched an episode yesterday.
IN one scene the Adam character was walking away from the camera & it looked like there was a lighter area across the back of the black belt (about 1/3 of the depth of the belt) he always seems to wear. Could loops have been removed for some odd Hollywierd reason?
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Old April 1, 2010, 12:58 PM   #55
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Gun belts with belt loops existed before 1900, but they were uncommon because at the end of the Civil War there were very few cartridge guns, so there were no cartridges to put into the belt loops.
Between 1873 and 1900 there were 191,999 Colt SAA's made. 115,499 1877 Lightenings, 41,999 1878 Frontiers, 31,000 1889 Navies, 130,999 new model Armies and Navies. Which is 511,496 cartridge guns from Colt alone between 1873 and 1900. Then you have S&W, Remington and a host of others.

I believe he's talking about the end of the civil war, i.e. 1865, not later.

Anyway, interesting thread. I was just watched the first 3 episodes of The Rifleman last night on Hulu, haven't seen it in years. I didn't realize Sam Peckinpah wrote or directed the first 6 episodes.
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Old April 1, 2010, 04:05 PM   #56
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I believe he's talking about the end of the civil war, i.e. 1865, not later.
He said they existed before 1900 but were uncommon. Seems to me if that wasn't what he meant there would have been no reason to bring the 1900 date up.
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Old April 3, 2010, 09:12 PM   #57
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BONANZA

AT ONE POINT ITHER HOS,OR LIL JOE CARRIED A PERCUSSION REVOLVER,AS WAS THE NORM FROM 1849-1900,NO NEED FOR CARTDRIDGE BELT,CORNY PROPS ARE EVERY SEROIUS ACTORS PET PEAVE,REALISIM WAS NOT AN IMPORTANT FACTOR,AT THE STUDIO,
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Old April 4, 2010, 06:43 PM   #58
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I watched The Outllaw Josie Wales on AMC last night. This movie was set at the very tail end of the Civil War and none of the characters (as far as I could see) had cartridge loops. This is consistent with them not being needed because most handguns did not use cartridges at the time.
I hadn't seen that movie in a long time and I had forgotten how entertaining it is.
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Old April 4, 2010, 06:51 PM   #59
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AT ONE POINT ITHER HOS,OR LIL JOE CARRIED A PERCUSSION REVOLVER,AS WAS THE NORM FROM 1849-1900,NO NEED FOR CARTDRIDGE BELT
Both did. Hoss carried a 58 Remington. Little Joe carried a 51 Navy. Percussions were few and far between well before 1900.
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Old April 4, 2010, 11:49 PM   #60
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Loopy for cartridges

A LOT OF PEOPLE CARRIED PERCUSSION REVOLVERS WELL UP TILL WW1,AS THEY WERE CHEAP AND EFFECTIVE,NOT EVERYONE HAD A LOT OF MONEY,WILD BILL HICKOK CARRIED HIS 1851 C0LT 36 CAL GUNS,A LOT OF MODERN GUN GURUS CUT THIER TEETH ON PERCUSSION GUNS IN THE 20TH CENTURY SOME THOUGHT CARTRIDGES WERE TOO EXPENSIVE,AND YOU ONLY HAD 6 SHOTS PER GUN ANY WAY
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A lot of people is not a majority. Hickok died in 1876 and did own cartridge guns.

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Old April 5, 2010, 09:45 AM   #62
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Did Hickok ever use a cartridge gun in a gunfight?

I thought he went to his grave with his 1851 Colt Navy guns.
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Old April 5, 2010, 09:53 AM   #63
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Did Hickok ever use a cartridge gun in a gunfight?

I thought he went to his grave with his 1851 Colt Navy guns.
He preferred the 51 Navies altho it's speculated he used a Dragoon to kill Tutt with. I know he had some cartridge guns presented to him but as far as I know he never carried one.
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Old April 5, 2010, 04:44 PM   #64
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its was reported that when Hickok was killed. the only firearm he had on him was a smith & Wesson old model army in .32in caliber. there is a photograph in GUNS OF THE OLD WEST. by dean k. boorman. of one of his 1851 colts "serial number 138813" with his name still engraved on the backstrap. the gun is still in pristine condition. also it shows a slim Jim holster .of the quality made by E.L. GALLATIN.of Cheyenne Wyoming. with the initials " JB" in it. that accompany s the revolver.
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Old April 5, 2010, 04:54 PM   #65
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look at the serial numbers. if you have ever played poker using the numbers off paper money. that's aces and eights.
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Old April 5, 2010, 07:51 PM   #66
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Because moisture would effect the reliablity in percussion revolvers, Hickock would fire his guns daily and reload. This way he was sure the powder was dry and the guns reliable. He didn't want to take any chances! This would also explain why he was a great shot, he practiced every day.
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Old April 6, 2010, 09:06 PM   #67
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has anyone ever noticed the 45/70 shell in the dukes holster ? he said an old cowboy told him that they would use it as a marker ,to tell you how many shells you had left in a firefight
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Old April 6, 2010, 09:48 PM   #68
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Heard that too, sonic1. Guy who put "low fuel warning" lights in cars was a fan of the Duke!
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Old April 7, 2010, 12:10 AM   #69
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It's there to remind you you really need that one missing round instead of a .45-70 shell!
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Old April 14, 2010, 09:59 PM   #70
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more proof many people carried percussion revolvers well into the 20th century

buffalow bill cody,left his 1858 remy to the remington firearms co.,and its thier prize possesion,the signed documentation,says only ,it never failed me,buffalo bill cody. he never converted it to cartridges.
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