The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: Semi-automatics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 12, 2010, 06:18 PM   #1
tenusdad
Junior member
 
Join Date: April 27, 2008
Posts: 396
AR 15 carry handle or flat top mount pros/cons - need advice?

1st AR is a Bushmaster carbine, detachable carry handle. I'm looking for help from experienced AR folks. I want a compact scope (at least 3 or 4x or up) and iorn sights. I have a detachable handle and a flip up rear sight already. I'm trying to decide:
Handle mount or flat top? pros/cons
Flat top with see through? If so what type and brand?
Can't afford another 1,000 for a scope so, any suggestions?
Any comments on the NC Star line of cheap scope? Are there other better alternatives?
Lasers and lights? Any thoughts?

I'm a handgunner, new to AR's, so help appreciated - comments wanted?

Last edited by tenusdad; March 12, 2010 at 06:28 PM. Reason: Help wanted
tenusdad is offline  
Old March 12, 2010, 06:27 PM   #2
greyson97
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 29, 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,284
what are you gonna use it for?
I got a detachable a3 style ar-15, and i removed the carry handle right away
since i only use it at the range off a bench, i got a bipod and a powerful scope, just to make things easy.

I cant really make a positive reccomendation, all i can tell you is what not to do. I got this.

http://www.amazon.com/BARSKA-6-5-20x...436205&sr=1-10

I cant really recommend this because its cheap and you get what you pay for. Its crystal clear up until 16x, but after that at 20x its kinda fuzzy, however i was looking at a 100 yard target. maybe at 200+ yards 20x will be clear

do not get finger adjustable sights with those big clunky knobs. the big clunky knobs are attached to a steel peg secured by 3 screw in posts. its hard to explain, but the 3 tiny posts broke, or they didnt lock into place, so the big knob spins freely and doesnt adjust your sight

you are better off with sights that adjust with a screwdriver, and have a screw on cap.
__________________
"Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." -Heavy

si vis pacem, para bellum
greyson97 is offline  
Old March 12, 2010, 06:31 PM   #3
rjrivero
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 17, 2008
Location: NW Ohio
Posts: 1,348
Millet DMS with Flip up rear sight.

My brother uses a Millet DMS-1 on a Model 1 dual ring setup on his AR. The variable power 1-4, I think, with illuminated recticle is handy on the 3 gun range. He can go from 1 to 4 with the flip of a lever, and can use his back up sights on 1 power if he ever needed to. It's big, relatively heavy, but it's pretty nice for what it's intended for.

Another popular option is a scope on the flat top, with a 45° offset mount for a red dot (like the Burris) for close in work. A lot of open class 3 gunners run this setup quite effectively.

Here's Jerry Miculek's rifle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcLSoE_PwIQ

Here's a nice caption of how he uses the offset mount: LINK HERE.
rjrivero is offline  
Old March 12, 2010, 06:32 PM   #4
tenusdad
Junior member
 
Join Date: April 27, 2008
Posts: 396
what are you gonna use it for?

Plinking - fun and as a bug out gun if the stuff hits the fan. Thanks for the tip on what not to buy. That's the type of advice I need. I've wasted a lot of money over the years experimenting.
tenusdad is offline  
Old March 12, 2010, 06:41 PM   #5
greyson97
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 29, 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,284
rjrivero

thanks, now i have something to watch for the next 6 hours :P
__________________
"Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." -Heavy

si vis pacem, para bellum
greyson97 is offline  
Old March 12, 2010, 06:43 PM   #6
tenusdad
Junior member
 
Join Date: April 27, 2008
Posts: 396
My brother uses a Millet DMS-1

I saw that scope in Dillon Blue Press - thanks for the advice.

Anybody using a see through flat top mount?
tenusdad is offline  
Old March 12, 2010, 07:09 PM   #7
Double Naught Spy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 8, 2001
Location: Forestburg, Montague County, Texas
Posts: 10,388
I have a pile of spare carry handles in my garage.

The detachable carry handle guns are great if you don't ever plan on carrying by the carry handle (the slot is too small to be comfortable for most male adults) and want a gun with the option of converting over to other optics that don't have to be mounted 4" above the barrel.

I think flattops with the detachable carry handle are the way to go for your first AR. It gives you better options than the non-flattops.
__________________
"If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher."
-- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011
Double Naught Spy is online now  
Old March 12, 2010, 07:14 PM   #8
greyson97
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 29, 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,284
actually, if you can also get an ar-15 with a detachable front post, thats also bonus, like the S&W M&P ones
__________________
"Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." -Heavy

si vis pacem, para bellum
greyson97 is offline  
Old March 12, 2010, 07:15 PM   #9
tenusdad
Junior member
 
Join Date: April 27, 2008
Posts: 396
Riser mounts?

Anybody using or have experience with see through riser mounts on the flat top?
tenusdad is offline  
Old March 13, 2010, 10:03 AM   #10
Johnsusername
Junior Member
 
Join Date: February 21, 2010
Location: NH
Posts: 14
I'll second that detachable handle as a backup sight. It's already paid for!

The only thing I would change is a quick release mount for the scope to make it easier to go to the backup.


John


Johnsusername is offline  
Old March 13, 2010, 10:24 AM   #11
Double Naught Spy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 8, 2001
Location: Forestburg, Montague County, Texas
Posts: 10,388
Quote:
Anybody using or have experience with see through riser mounts on the flat top?
Yes. What do you want to know? If you have a permanent front sight tower, the see through riser will give you a view of a low spot on the tower and not much else.
__________________
"If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher."
-- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011
Double Naught Spy is online now  
Old March 13, 2010, 10:27 AM   #12
noyes
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 27, 2008
Posts: 1,032
Old school works just fine . Can use iron sites without scope removal , just move your eye down from scope to iron sites. Plus can still use carrying handle.



There are several makers , here's 1

http://snipertec.com/zencart/index.p...&products_id=7




.

Last edited by noyes; March 14, 2010 at 12:58 PM.
noyes is offline  
Old March 13, 2010, 11:51 AM   #13
Edward429451
Junior member
 
Join Date: November 12, 2000
Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado
Posts: 9,494
The carrying handle can be used to carry the rifle? Learn something new everyday! I thought it was just a sight carrier.
I like the flatop. I can mount up my scope for some range testing, prove the ammo, then put the irons back on and try to do as good.

All this time I've been using a sling to carry mine, huh.
Edward429451 is offline  
Old March 13, 2010, 01:15 PM   #14
noyes
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 27, 2008
Posts: 1,032
Ghillie + sling + nooks and crannies of rifle = snag's a bad day
noyes is offline  
Old March 13, 2010, 08:11 PM   #15
80viking
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 8, 2009
Location: The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts
Posts: 311
I would go with the flat top/detachable handle. The center of the scope should be the same height as the AR's iron sights. Don't handicap yourself by putting a scope 3" above the barrel. As far as the the front post goes, don't worry about it you'll never see it in the scope. Use a one piece scope mount that is already the correct height to eliminate the need for riser blocks or tall rings. This set-up is very repeatable when switching between the irons and the scope.
80viking is offline  
Old March 13, 2010, 08:48 PM   #16
Lavid2002
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 6, 2007
Posts: 2,568
Flat top ftw!
__________________
Math>Grammar
Lavid2002 is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.09954 seconds with 9 queries