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Old February 4, 2010, 09:56 PM   #1
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Winchester 30/30 carbine for defense?

Hello, I love camping (kinda' out where it's just me I just purchased a 30/30 16" lever action carbine....I was thinking this would be a handy rifle for protection, what are the thoughts on this? Thanks in advance, Jason
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Old February 4, 2010, 10:05 PM   #2
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Best to take a rifle to gun fight. So you got that covered

Only thing about the carbine....30-30 in a the standard length barrel is somewhat loud. With 16 inch barrel I'd sure want my ear plugs and muffs.

My favorite load for my marlin 336 30-30 is 100 grain 1/2 jacket plinker bullets with 17 grains of imr4759. makes a dandy varmit and plinking load
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Old February 4, 2010, 10:17 PM   #3
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I wouln't want to go to a gun fight with you if you are bringing a 30-30.
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Old February 4, 2010, 10:22 PM   #4
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Any 160gr. soft nose
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Old February 4, 2010, 10:27 PM   #5
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You could do a lot worse. I'd have no problem with that set up.
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Old February 4, 2010, 11:27 PM   #6
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read the hunting regs & carry laws..

as to know when are where your allowed.

Under some circumstances you MIGHT be considered hunting out of season???

I'm assuming you're backpacking or are you tent camping, the you might get away with it in the car. BUT WHO KNOWS for sure!

336 sighted-in with 150's looking to gear up fpr the Hornady 160 ammo.
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Old February 4, 2010, 11:32 PM   #7
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It is a fine firearm would prefer a short barreled shot gun though also what are you trying to protect your self from game or people?
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Old February 4, 2010, 11:52 PM   #8
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countless deer and black bear have been taken with the 30-30, so a puny human has no chance. Excellent round.
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Old February 4, 2010, 11:57 PM   #9
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just fine

That will do just fine.

No other than Jeff COOPER suggested that a 30-30 carbine would be a fine SD and general purpose rifle as well. His "Art of the Rifle" shows a 30-30 lever in various photos.

I think that the 16" trappers are slick and wish I had one myself.

I've even seen vintage LE training films where the officers pictured were armed w/ what appeared to be 20" M94 30-30's.

You might find some type of aperture/peep sight appealing if your eyes aren't what they might be. There won't be much sight radius on a 16" M94.
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Old February 5, 2010, 12:23 AM   #10
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If its good enough to take down russians, its good enough for HD.


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Old February 5, 2010, 10:31 AM   #11
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Excellent choice!
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Old February 5, 2010, 10:45 AM   #12
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Very handy - excellent choice.
Being able to reload quickly takes a lot of practice, though. Snapcaps or some dummy rounds would help with that, so you could practice at home.
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Old February 5, 2010, 11:08 AM   #13
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You are well armed with that rifle for sure.
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Old February 5, 2010, 11:17 AM   #14
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Excellent choice!
I agree, back in the day I always kept a Marlin 30/30 in the gunrack of my truck...( nobody freaked at seeing a gun back then LOL).

Even if you are camping or hunting where there are just small country stores, you can always get ammo! They may not have a big selection of calibers, but I have never failed to see a few boxes of 30/30 win.
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Old February 5, 2010, 12:56 PM   #15
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Only negative to a short 30-30 is the short mag tube. 4? rounds in a 16".. Something to be said for how many 357's or 44's fit in a short tube.
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Old February 5, 2010, 01:11 PM   #16
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Great, handy rifle for self defense, especially outdoors. A Win94 .30-30 (OK it is .30WCF) was our family general home defense gun for decades. Never had to use it but it was always handy and like others have said, if it can take down deer and black bear then it is certainly good enough for humans.

An added benefit is that it was the family's gun for each us to use as our first hunting rifle so everyone was vary familiar with it. We had shotguns but they were 28" barrels so not so handy as the slim little Winchester.

You have a fine defensive arm. I would choose .357 or .44 version if meant mostly for defense and plinking. But a few rounds in the tube of .30-30 will handle 99% of situations. Practice loading through the gate to make sure you can top it off if need be, and have some additional shells handy like a butt cuff or something.

If being used for outdoors I would definitely use the standard 150 gr or 170 gr soft points, not the 125 gr or lighter bullets. If you are camping and need to use it for defense it may be a lightly clothed person, but there is also a chance it could be a bear, cougar or someone in a vehicle. I would want the ability to handle all possible situations. Be sure to note directions of nearby campers relative to most likely line of approach so you at least have a mental note of what lies beyond the immediate threat.
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Old February 5, 2010, 01:56 PM   #17
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rds on hand

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Never thought of that, interesting point. Gives a pistol caliber an edge as a SD carbine.

Still wish I had that 16" 30-30 trapper.
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Old February 5, 2010, 05:01 PM   #18
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In my State, if you are in the woods with a rifle it is assumed you are hunting and you should be sure you are in compliance with your State hunting laws in regards to season, type of game, and caliber. For example, hunting tree rats with a 30-30 is not legal in my State.
I would think the PRK would have even more stringent rules and regulations.
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Old February 5, 2010, 05:07 PM   #19
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It also is less threatening to the non-shooting public. Folks see a black rifle and they get concerned. A guy with a lever 30/30 is just there. I saw this in the field when I carried a glock 20. I switched to a 38/44 Heavy Duty revolver and got a lot less hassles.
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