Unknown Bullet

macsr01 · January 11, 2010, 07:20 PM

I found this Bullet in Sicily near Agrigento. There are a series of German pill boxes near the coast where I found this but I'm thinking it's not 7.92 mm, looks to large. The pics are not the best, anyone have any idea what this is and what type of rifle or machine gun fired it ?

mapsjanhere · January 11, 2010, 07:25 PM

Germany had a 7.92 anti-tank rifle, so Sicily seems late to use that kind of weapon, they were obsolete by then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerb%C3%BCchse_39

Scorch · January 11, 2010, 07:29 PM

Italy had an 8mm Breda heavy machine gun.

mapsjanhere · January 11, 2010, 07:46 PM

Actually, using the highly precise "trace the bullet onto a piece of paper from screen and compare to shown ruler scale" method, this seems to be approximately a 10 mm diameter round. Makes me wonder if someone tried a 408 Chey-tac against a pill box.

macsr01 · January 11, 2010, 07:49 PM

I'n not convinced this is 7.92 mm. It Diameter looks to large, it is does look like it was machined instead of cast, pics dont show a lot of detail I know

jonnyc · January 11, 2010, 08:13 PM

It looks suspiciously like the steel core from a .50 BMG AP projectile.

wogpotter · January 11, 2010, 08:53 PM

Beat me to it

Is it magnetic?

macsr01 · January 11, 2010, 08:53 PM

You could very well be right but how would It separate from the rest of the bullet that cleanly - no residue of anything else on it.

wogpotter · January 11, 2010, 08:54 PM

that's absolutely normal for AP cores.

OldShooter · January 11, 2010, 09:09 PM

It's easy to strip the jacket and lead off a steel core bullet. Just fire into the ground and dig. I've done it with 7.62x54R surplus. You'll find the core nor more than about 5 inches in.

I don't know how anyone can come to any conclusion based on the photos provided. Why not measure it with a micrometer?

macsr01 · January 11, 2010, 09:22 PM

Well I guess that answers that fellas, I burned through a bunch of ammo on an M2 but I never saw the core out of an AP round. Learn somthin new every day

January 11, 2010, 07:25 PM	#2
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,270	Germany had a 7.92 anti-tank rifle, so Sicily seems late to use that kind of weapon, they were obsolete by then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerb%C3%BCchse_39 __________________ F 135 - the right choice Last edited by mapsjanhere; January 11, 2010 at 07:26 PM. Reason: better link

January 11, 2010, 07:29 PM	#3
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 11,033	Italy had an 8mm Breda heavy machine gun. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Taylor Machine

January 11, 2010, 07:46 PM	#4
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,270	Actually, using the highly precise "trace the bullet onto a piece of paper from screen and compare to shown ruler scale" method, this seems to be approximately a 10 mm diameter round. Makes me wonder if someone tried a 408 Chey-tac against a pill box. __________________ F 135 - the right choice

January 11, 2010, 07:49 PM	#5
macsr01 Member Join Date: May 22, 2006 Posts: 72	I'n not convinced this is 7.92 mm. It Diameter looks to large, it is does look like it was machined instead of cast, pics dont show a lot of detail I know __________________ YOUR REALITY CHECK BOUNCED, I'M HERE TO COLLECT THE BALANCE............

January 11, 2010, 08:53 PM	#8
macsr01 Member Join Date: May 22, 2006 Posts: 72	You could very well be right but how would It separate from the rest of the bullet that cleanly - no residue of anything else on it. __________________ YOUR REALITY CHECK BOUNCED, I'M HERE TO COLLECT THE BALANCE............

January 11, 2010, 08:13 PM	#6
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 681	It looks suspiciously like the steel core from a .50 BMG AP projectile.

January 11, 2010, 08:53 PM	#7
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 2,061	Beat me to it Is it magnetic?

January 11, 2010, 08:54 PM	#9
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 2,061	that's absolutely normal for AP cores.

January 11, 2010, 09:09 PM	#10
OldShooter Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 845	It's easy to strip the jacket and lead off a steel core bullet. Just fire into the ground and dig. I've done it with 7.62x54R surplus. You'll find the core nor more than about 5 inches in. I don't know how anyone can come to any conclusion based on the photos provided. Why not measure it with a micrometer?

January 11, 2010, 09:22 PM	#11
macsr01 Member Join Date: May 22, 2006 Posts: 72	Well I guess that answers that fellas, I burned through a bunch of ammo on an M2 but I never saw the core out of an AP round. Learn somthin new every day __________________ YOUR REALITY CHECK BOUNCED, I'M HERE TO COLLECT THE BALANCE............