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Old December 9, 2009, 06:56 AM   #51
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practicing your shooting with one hand is a waste?...okay.
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Old December 9, 2009, 11:19 AM   #52
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practicing your shooting with one hand is a waste?
Shooting offhand in comparison to what I can do with my main hand as I meant my comment, yes. As I said I do it when I do it, no.

Paraphrasing people out of context is like shooting blanks and some people might think those are a waste. I know I've certainly got no use for them.
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Old December 9, 2009, 11:29 AM   #53
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I practiced for the one handed, nondominant hand shooting experience by:

1. Signing up for an injured shooter class with KRtraining in Texas and for LFI-1.

2. Before the class, I fell down and broke my wrist, sprained my ankle and ribs.

3. Went to the classes in cast, ankle set up, etc.

Since one can fall down in an incident, using one hand and the nomdominant hand is a good thing to know. The awful thing is when you shoot better with the nondominant hand - Bah!!
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Old December 9, 2009, 01:22 PM   #54
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While that may be fundamentally true, how many of "us" have either the time, money or inclination to reach that skill level?

Don't get me wrong, it's an ideal, and there ARE those who reach that level, whether it be actual combat experience or heavy, regular, realistic (and expensive!) training.
Why not competition enduced shooting stress? I fight once a week light contact sparring and grappling and don't feel as stressed as I do while shooting an IPSC or threegun match. I have done FOF with friends at work that felt similar to competition stress. The point is you shoot under stress and its fun. Most events are 10 bucks or less plus ammo.
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Old December 9, 2009, 01:39 PM   #55
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Why not competition enduced shooting stress? I fight once a week light contact sparring and grappling and don't feel as stressed as I do while shooting an IPSC or threegun match. I have done FOF with friends at work that felt similar to competition stress. The point is you shoot under stress and its fun. Most events are 10 bucks or less plus ammo.
Well, it certainly can't hurt and it would likely help your marksmanship, if nothing else.

I don't know if there would be much comparison to "the real deal" on a stress level. Of course, it would be different for all of us so, YMMV. I have a friend who used to compete on a national level in archery (took 3rd once in Atlantic City or Vegas, can't remember which). He always says that there are more stress induced shooting errors while hunting than in competition. IMO, the stress of knowing that you get a smaller trophy if you screw up would not likely compare to the stress of knowing that you die if you screw up, or worse, might die even if you DON'T screw up.

It can't hurt though, I was going to look into some local competition when I got my permit but I never did. I really should.
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Old December 9, 2009, 02:52 PM   #56
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Perhaps for your friend competitive stress has diminished. When I first started shooting PPC (police pistol combat) I was so nervous that it would trigger terrible stomach aches and the desire to poop just before the match. I would prepare early so that I could run up to the clubhouse for relief. Nowadays I get a bit shaky but not as bad as in the beginning. IPSC and Threegun and even bowling shoots never got easier on my gut. So in some competitive endeavors and perhaps for some folks competition might not induce high stress. For me it certainly does.

Quick story........I was preparing mentally for a stage in three gun that required only shotgun and pistol. I was mapping my reload areas mentally so as to most efficiently reload my shotty. Finally I had it all figured out. My turn came up and I played everything once more in my head. The buzzer went off and my mind went blank. I ended up running my shotty dry. I fell apart completely although my score was still good it wasn't near what it should have been. Pure pressure.
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Old December 9, 2009, 07:32 PM   #57
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Shooting offhand in comparison to what I can do with my main hand as I meant my comment, yes. As I said I do it when I do it, no.
I misread your earlier post. Somewhere between reading it and posting my reply I'd formed the impression that you were dismissing all one-handed shooting...my bad.
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Old December 9, 2009, 07:39 PM   #58
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I was so nervous that it would trigger terrible stomach aches and the desire to poop just before the match.
Well, maybe it is like real life. I'm confident that it will be more than a desire if I ever have to shoot someone! I'll definitely need new underwear.
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Old December 9, 2009, 08:48 PM   #59
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shooting with either hand:

Funny you should ask that question. I just was practicing this past week on shooting my Glock 19 left handed (in case something happened and I could not use my right hand to shoot). Was a little awkward at first but after awhile, I began to shoot pretty good groups using my left hand only. Had to work at it but it came around to where I could defend myself if needed and still hit what I was aiming at (if reasonably close).
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Old December 9, 2009, 11:35 PM   #60
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Would you carry a gun you cannot accurately shoot one handed?


lol, why bother. might as well bring a club or something that you can control.
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Old December 10, 2009, 12:03 AM   #61
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1. Signing up for an injured shooter class with KRtraining in Texas and for LFI-1.

2. Before the class, I fell down and broke my wrist, sprained my ankle and ribs.

3. Went to the classes in cast, ankle set up, etc.
Some people might say that's evidence of an overcommitment to verisimilitude in training...

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Old December 10, 2009, 03:04 AM   #62
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I misread your earlier post. Somewhere between reading it and posting my reply I'd formed the impression that you were dismissing all one-handed shooting...my bad.
It happens. I spend a lot of time writing comments that never get posted because I re-read the post I am replying to one last time before hitting the submit button
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Old December 10, 2009, 03:16 AM   #63
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RE: shooting under stress practice

I don't know if others can do this? But let me tell you what I have done during self-defense training. It is not something I have heard others explain but is probably worth a try for you guys.

While staring at the target I mentally reflect on times when my life was threatened (there have been several). I put myself into that mindset. It takes a while to build up but is obtainable. I recall what it felt like to know I may be taking my last breath. The sudden fear, the helplessness, the adrenaline rush, the horror of someone wanting to kill you, the reluctance to kill them... It all adds up and when I feel it is real enough I unleash on the target which embodies those feelings for me.

Makes for a very interesting exercise in shooting and when I am done I feel that I have really accomplished something useful.
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Old December 10, 2009, 03:45 AM   #64
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I wouldn't, as a lot of SD situations I can think of include one handed shooting. I also train this every time I go to the range, so I'm comfortable shooting right and left handed only.
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Old December 10, 2009, 10:11 AM   #65
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On a related note.. if you want another exercise for one handed shooting, run up a few flights of stairs first and then give it a try. You get decent at shooting one-handed while your pulse is throbbing and you are gasping for air and you can do ANYTHING with a handgun!
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Old December 22, 2009, 10:18 PM   #66
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i practice weak hand only during department qualifications,and thats only from like 5 yards or so, and only 6 or so rounds.

I really need to practice more weak-hand only. just too sorry to i guess.
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Old December 23, 2009, 05:17 PM   #67
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MOST of us OLD guys NEED two hands, we Ain't playin' Wyatt Earp anymore.
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Old December 23, 2009, 07:46 PM   #68
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"Would you carry a gun you cannot accurately shoot one handed?"

No.

"When deciding what to carry do you take into consideration ever being in a situation where you only have one good hand to operate you CCW?"

Of course.

"Do you practice bringing your CCW to bear and firing with just one hand at the range?"

Regularly.

"Do you do this with both your weak and strong hands?"

Yes.

"Do you choose caliber based on whether you can accurately shoot it one handed?"

No. I also do not blame any short comings observed on the targets on the caliber in hand, either.
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Old December 23, 2009, 08:34 PM   #69
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Wow Glenn - damn, that's... pretty hardcore.

Couldn't you have just held your arm behind your back or something????
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Old December 23, 2009, 10:03 PM   #70
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Glenn,

Broke my right hand in Karate back in college. Found out I was a very rotton shot with my Colt Commander .45 when I tried it left handed. That was an eye opener so I have trained myself to shoot with either hand. Strangly my right is faster but my left more accurate.
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Old December 26, 2009, 11:28 PM   #71
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I have to say that in one hand shooting, the P225 and P239 9mm shine.
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Old December 27, 2009, 02:38 AM   #72
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as far as weight or power, no, in either case.
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Old December 27, 2009, 02:32 PM   #73
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The awful thing is when you shoot better with the nondominant hand - Bah!!
I'm certainly more accurate with my non-dominant hand, though less quick. Come to find out there's a lot of people out there the same. Most of your shakes due to caffeine, stress, etc., are far milder in your non-dominant hand.
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Old December 29, 2009, 01:09 AM   #74
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I would rather not carry a gun that I can't shoot well one handed. I can shoot the G19 I've been carrying for the last 6 months or so, and the pistol that I took my last training course with (CSAT), one handed, off hand (strong hand), with almost the same precision and accuracy as I can two handed at 7 yards. Two handed at that distance my best precision is around 1/2 inch, and this opens up, oh to maybe an inch one handed. Shooting weak hand, off hand, at the same distance, my group can open up to 2 inches however and admittedly I don't practice using my weak hand as much as I should.

Where my shooting noticeably suffers while shooting strong arm one handed is in rapid fire (controlled string with one shot for each sight picture). I haven't checked my splits shooting rapid fire one handed, but I'd say I'm at least twice as slow.

I also admit that I don't practice shooting weak hand one handed rapid fire except for in context of this drill: high ready position strong arm one handed, extend out, two rapid "flash sight picture" shots, transition to weak hand, two rapid shots. So, I definitely need practice shooting weak hand only but that's another story.

Lastly though, doing the wall dry fire drill one handed (strong arm) forced me to adjust my strong hand grip and trigger finger placement because before it wasn't truly neutral and when I shot one handed I'd throw my front sight slightly right. When I shot two hand isosceles this problem wasn't visible because the added stability of the two handed grip hid the problem. Improving my one handed grip though so that I attained a truly neutral grip/trigger pull has not only helped my shooting one handed, but it definitely helped my two handed shooting as well for both speed and accuracy/precision.
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