The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > NFA Guns and Gear

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 7, 2009, 05:58 PM   #1
Firepower!
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 3, 2008
Posts: 2,109
Most automatic weapons per capita

Hi
I was wondering which country or the top few countries will have most automatic weapons per capita civilians? Also in gross which country will have most automatic weapon in civilian hands?

Thanks
Firepower! is offline  
Old September 7, 2009, 06:09 PM   #2
jeffreybehr
Member
 
Join Date: March 2, 2009
Posts: 81
Fully auto, semiauto, or both?
jeffreybehr is offline  
Old September 8, 2009, 05:27 AM   #3
divemedic
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 12, 2006
Posts: 1,313
The Swiss or Israelis. Possibly (per capita) Vatican City or Monaco, simply because they are such small countries. Since so many countries do not have registration or publish numbers, it is hard to tell.
__________________
Caveat Emperor
divemedic is offline  
Old September 8, 2009, 05:35 AM   #4
Xanatos
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 20, 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 132
From what I understand, everyone male over 20 years old is issued a G36 in Switzerland that they keep at home until they're done with their compulsory military service.
Xanatos is offline  
Old September 8, 2009, 09:19 PM   #5
Senator Vitaman
Member
 
Join Date: May 2, 2009
Posts: 37
It's probably Switzerland, Vatican City, (if the Swiss gaurd use full-autos) Monoco.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo This is scary stuff, tell congress no cutting off care.
Senator Vitaman is offline  
Old September 9, 2009, 08:52 AM   #6
Chipperman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 31, 2000
Location: Live Free or Die, Baby!
Posts: 1,429
Quote:
issued a G36 in Switzerland
They get Sigs, not HKs
Chipperman is offline  
Old September 9, 2009, 09:42 AM   #7
Jon1911
Member
 
Join Date: February 21, 2009
Posts: 70
I concur on the compulsory Military Service in Switzerland.

http://stason.org/TULARC/travel/swis...y-service.html
Quote:
You keep your weapons till your military service is _OVER_ which means
not only your annual/bisannual courses are over, but also you are
freed from military service (around 42 nowadays I think).
__________________
Μολὼν λάβε
Jon1911 is offline  
Old September 9, 2009, 06:03 PM   #8
Firepower!
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 3, 2008
Posts: 2,109
I meant FULLY automatic.

I thought Pakistan or the US would be up there but Swiss surprised me.
Firepower! is offline  
Old September 9, 2009, 07:23 PM   #9
The Canuck
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 13, 2006
Location: Calgary Alberta, Canada
Posts: 307
Definately Swiss. Mandatory service age is 18-55 and you all have a service rifle (that's a Stgw-90 Select Fire Service Weapon) and 50 rounds of ammo handy in your home for deplyment. So about 85% of the males in the age range have a Stgw-90 at home. A good chunk of them also buy thier rifle when they leave the service.

So you are looking at about 1 million service rifles, or one for every five Swiss Citizens.
__________________
"If you put one in the snot locker, it doesn't matter what calibre it is".
The Canuck is offline  
Old September 10, 2009, 09:03 AM   #10
jmorris
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 22, 2006
Posts: 1,670
Quote:
I meant FULLY automatic.

I thought Pakistan or the US would be up there but Swiss surprised me.
Why would you think US? Fully automatic weapons have been restricted in the United States since the National Firearms Act of 1934. Currently the only available automatic firearms to civilians are those manufactured before May 19, 1986. Further, some states don't allow them at all.
jmorris is offline  
Old September 10, 2009, 12:35 PM   #11
flight954
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 1, 2006
Location: Cypress, Texas
Posts: 933
Who cares
flight954 is offline  
Old September 14, 2009, 07:14 PM   #12
cougar gt-e
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 25, 2009
Posts: 841
who cares?

Must be a report due soon...
cougar gt-e is offline  
Old September 14, 2009, 08:51 PM   #13
Tamara
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: March 11, 2000
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 15,962
There are roughly a quarter million legally-transferable machine guns in the US, according to the BATFEIEIO's spotty records.

Most knowledgeable observers reckon that there are at least that many more formerly-legal ones in attics and barns and under floorboards that never made it onto the registry between '34 and '86.
__________________
MOLON LABE!
2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium.
The Arms Room: An Online Museum.
Tamara is offline  
Old September 15, 2009, 09:04 AM   #14
Firepower!
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 3, 2008
Posts: 2,109
Tamara:
Here in PK just last year 30,000 licenses were issued for full autos. On each AK license people usually keep 4 by stamping the same number and keeping them at different places.

Now that is just for last year. We have been getting licenses for such weapons since 1985, except for small intervals in between where they were banned etc. Nevertheless, if I would imagine that 5000 were issued per year (conservative estimate) we will have 24*5000 = 120000+30000= 150,000 licenses floating our there, but I think my conservative estimate is far below then actual. That said, we take that if 50% of these are AK the Ak number is75000. Furthermore if take (a very conservative est) that 25% Ak holders have at least 2 on same license we add 37500 to the total 150,000 = 187500 auto weapons.

Well when we talk about the black market or illegal weapons, the number is just too hard to figure out. In 'one' of the biggest market Derra Adam Khail there are 3000 sellers. All of them must have AKs local or foriegn. Take that in account and the other such markets around the country. While doing that, dont forget that MOST people who have AKs dont have license for them.

We are a population of 180 million! Can someone take a stab at doing a guestimatic math to put a number up?
Firepower! is offline  
Old September 18, 2009, 09:34 AM   #15
tiereta
Junior Member
 
Join Date: December 27, 2008
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 14
interesting thread. Throw out the per capita, who do you think has the most?
tiereta is offline  
Old September 18, 2009, 04:19 PM   #16
Firepower!
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 3, 2008
Posts: 2,109
you means the civilians?

I know my country would be ranked pretty high
Firepower! is offline  
Old October 4, 2009, 11:34 AM   #17
gyvel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2009
Location: Northern AZ
Posts: 5,229
Quote:
batfeieio

roflmao!!
gyvel is online now  
Old October 5, 2009, 03:26 AM   #18
Firepower!
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 3, 2008
Posts: 2,109
gyvl, i am sure I understand
Firepower! is offline  
Old October 5, 2009, 07:40 AM   #19
Skans
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 20, 2008
Posts: 8,041
My guess would be Israel - all men and women must serve in the military and they generally carry M16's when on active duty. Most households, from what I've been told, also have an automatic weapon in them. This is what I've been told, so accuracy could be questionable.
Skans is offline  
Old October 8, 2009, 10:03 PM   #20
Buzzcook
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 29, 2007
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 5,646
Pre-invasion Iraq had about one AK per household. Saddam was handing them out like door prizes.
Buzzcook is offline  
Old October 9, 2009, 06:48 AM   #21
SeekHer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 4, 2005
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 295
250K full auto in the USA---Wow, that's a staggering figure, that makes it what .0001% of the population...

Switzerland is around 47.0% and Israel is around 42.0% but then again, both countries combined wouldn't equal the population of Los Angeles and surrounding environs...Both countries have mandatory military service and a complete reserve (militia) corp so there is an advantage to their figures...

Last I read Afghanistan had around 23% of adult males armed with automatic weapons but they didn't specify full, select or semi...But that was awhile ago...

Do you know which countries have the least amount of weapons, primarily firearms, crimes?

Least amount of armed robberies?

Least amount of bank robberies?
__________________
There is a certain type of mentality that thinks if you make certain inanimate objects illegal their criminal misuse will disappear!

When the human race dies out, it will be because it was brainwashed to be so totally, completely, utterly safe that it no longer dared to keep on living
SeekHer is offline  
Old October 9, 2009, 07:22 AM   #22
Bob Strepka
Junior member
 
Join Date: October 9, 2009
Posts: 1
Reply

According to news report that I read U.S has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world.
Bob Strepka is offline  
Old October 10, 2009, 02:52 PM   #23
SeekHer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 4, 2005
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 295
Quote:
Bob Strepka -- According to news report that I read U.S has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world.
Although not really pertinent to this thread, I think whomever reported that tidbit, that news report, has their data slightly screwed up! Unless they consider all LEO and military firearms into the figures and even then, I still think that it wouldn't reach those numbers...

The "Brady Bunch" would have conniptions if that were the case...
__________________
There is a certain type of mentality that thinks if you make certain inanimate objects illegal their criminal misuse will disappear!

When the human race dies out, it will be because it was brainwashed to be so totally, completely, utterly safe that it no longer dared to keep on living
SeekHer is offline  
Old October 10, 2009, 08:27 PM   #24
PTK
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 20, 2008
Posts: 442
Well, actually, there are probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 90-120 million guns in the USA. In other words, one gun for every three people.


Mind you, that's the official figure. "Unofficial" estimates put it much closer to 300 million or more - one gun for just about everyone.
PTK is offline  
Old October 11, 2009, 01:22 AM   #25
ADB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2009
Posts: 399
Quote:
So you are looking at about 1 million service rifles, or one for every five Swiss Citizens.
I recall hearing a figure of around 680,000. However, that may have just been active reservists, not counting the people who bought their weapons after they mustered out.
ADB is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.11865 seconds with 9 queries