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Old March 20, 2009, 12:23 PM   #1
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How to obtain a C&R license?

I found CZ-82 for sale by J&G, there for I would like to obtain a C&R license.
I have tried to order the application form from ATF but I am not getting any thing from them.
This is the site I ordered the forms from:
http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm

How long does it take?
Is there a better place to get the forms from?
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Old March 20, 2009, 01:34 PM   #2
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IIRC I ordered the forms in August, received and submitted them in September, and received the 03FFL on October. However, with the current weapons-ban scare, I'm sure the number of applications has gone up and slowed the whole process.
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Old March 20, 2009, 04:57 PM   #3
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VTS:

Unfortunately for you, CA only allows C&R long guns that are over 50 yrs old to be received by an 03-FFL (C&R) holder ... both handguns and long guns that are under 50 yrs of age must be shipped to an 01-FFL (a dealer) and I believe that they then need to go through the whole CA pain/cost of DROS and waiting period. You will notice that many of the wholesalers actually state on their website that they only ship C&R handguns to CA if they are going to/through an 01-FFL ...

Sorry for the bad news,

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Old March 21, 2009, 01:27 AM   #4
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Saands...
Sadly you are right.

I hate living here.

No point in getting the C&R license, just as well buy it trough a FFL
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Old April 11, 2009, 07:50 AM   #5
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Wrong!

C&R firearms all don't have to be 50 years old to purchase with the license.
As long as the firearm is on the list, you can purchase it. For example, all Manuhrin PPK series are on the list, and lots of them are less than 50 years old. Lots of commeratives are on the list, and you can petition to have a firearm listed by it's serial number if there is some significance to it.
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Old April 11, 2009, 10:14 AM   #6
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HHB: What you say applies to the rest of the country. Sadly, in CA, the rules are more restrictive. If you take a gander at the state firearm laws that the BATF sends you, you'll notice that CA has hundreds of pages ... that is why so many dealers won't ship ANYTHING to CA ... they just don't want to take the time to verify what is OK and what isn't.


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Old April 13, 2009, 02:57 PM   #7
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also in the PRC (peoples republic of CA)

I just let my C&R expire after 6 years. Everytime i found a good deal on something I wanted the retailer wouldn't ship to CA. Just my $0.02, but I found it worked out better for me just to be loyal to one local shop who has passed along some discounts to me for repeat business.
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Old April 13, 2009, 04:57 PM   #8
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If the state wasn't bankrupt/leading the country in foreclosures and housing devaluation I could understand why you lived there.
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Old May 25, 2009, 06:58 PM   #9
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I never did understand why I'm living here... oh yes the wife.
She has kids here, she wants to live near by them.

One of these days I might just have to leave with out her.


With a little luck the state might just go bankrupt and nobody would be left to enforce the law... yeah right
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Old May 27, 2009, 04:12 PM   #10
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Exactly, dudes...

I bought an old Turk Mauser. The damn thing was fallin apart and I'm gonna breath som life back into the old gal. I have to wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait...you get the idea.

Yes, the Golden State does suck, but it's my sucky state
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Old May 28, 2009, 06:38 AM   #11
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As an ex-Californian, all I can do is wish all gun owners there the best of luck.
Oh, and a small prayer if you like, that the current batch of court actions against the state go your way.
Thank God I now live in Texas.
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Old June 1, 2009, 10:17 PM   #12
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I got my C&R pack today (about 2 weeks after the license got in). Included is the firearms record. Question about this: do I need to log all the guns I already have, or do I just log the guns I buy with the license?
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Old June 2, 2009, 01:16 AM   #13
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Only things you buy with the license, and sell as C&R.
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Old June 2, 2009, 09:46 AM   #14
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As I understand it, you need to log ALL acquisitions and dispositions of C&R firearms that take place while your license is valid. It doesn't matter if you actually USE your license to acquire something or not ... now that you are licensed, you need to log anything you pick up OR dispose of (sell, gift, donate, trade, etc) that would qualify as C&R. If you are in a state that allows private transactions face to face, then those are also included in the ALL that we are talking about ... as would purchases from the CMP.

Again, this is how I understand it, you need to read the rules for yourself and decide what they mean. This is not legal advice and if it were, it would likely be worth only half of what you paid for it

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Old June 3, 2009, 01:08 PM   #15
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My C&R just came in the mail today! WOOOO!
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Old June 5, 2009, 12:13 PM   #16
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I'm really thinking about getting a C&R. I live in MO. do you guys think I would get the C&R fast? About how long would it take?
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Old June 5, 2009, 11:24 PM   #17
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My dad once told me "Get every license or certificate you could from the state" Once you have it you are more likely to be "Grand-fathered" if any kind of freeze or restriction hits. vts - Get the C + R. If it takes 2 or 3 months so what. (Mine only took 6 weeks, the change of address 4 weeks) If you don't apply and wait 3 months you still won't have the license.
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Old June 8, 2009, 10:00 PM   #18
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I was interested in getting a few C&R handguns. Butt it seems the "Golden State" "The Land Of The Not So Free" "The Left Coast" does not list handguns as C&R. So the whole point of getting it is lost.

I migrated from Norway to California a few years ago. I was exited to come to the land of the free and the home of the brave. Also the home of the 2A... The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I can not describe the disappointment I felt when I realized that the 2A is in better shape in Norway then it is in California.
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Old June 8, 2009, 10:27 PM   #19
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That goes without saying..I just moved to California from Washington State, there I only had to pay a $25 dollar shipping fee and wait for a 10 minute phone then I went home with my new rifle, here i have to wait 10 friggin days!


California is a disappointment
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Old June 9, 2009, 07:17 AM   #20
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My dream is to move to Oregon in a few years... Then one day, maybe Alaska.
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Old June 9, 2009, 05:24 PM   #21
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Are the gun laws extremly leanient?
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Old June 10, 2009, 12:36 AM   #22
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No, not "extremely lenient", just closer to actually following the 2nd Amendment than other places.

Alaska is also one of two states with the least infringement on bearing arms. It, and Vermont, explicitly allow carrying by any non-felon--no permit, fee, tax, or other form of government permission required to exercise your rights.
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Old June 11, 2009, 12:30 AM   #23
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My dream is to move to Oregon in a few years... Then one day, maybe Alaska.
Alaska, huh? Move from one state that says you have NO reason whatsoever to own a gun to a state that says, "you want to own a gun?...better be a big one.." Heh!

I myself am a fan of the northwest, but best of luck getting your hands on that CZ. Luckily for me (in Colorado) I hardly have a use for a C&R.
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Old June 11, 2009, 08:41 PM   #24
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No kidding... Take a look at AB 357

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/po...&author=knight

This bill was rejected by the public safety committee.

California is still in violation of 2A
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