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View Poll Results: Would you be willing to put your life on the line if continued liberty called for it?
Not under any circumstances. 1 1.67%
Possibly, if forced by my location, or personal situation. 8 13.33%
Very likely to do so, but would have to be a life-or-death setting for me. 30 50.00%
I would do so gladly, under any conditions. 21 35.00%
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Old April 9, 2009, 10:39 AM   #51
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gb_in_ga has completely overlooked the carnage in favor of his screed.
No, actually I haven't. I'm well aware that war is terrible, being a former soldier myself. Fratricidal war tends to be even worse. I'm well aware of that.

But the alternative to a JUSTIFIABLE fratricidal war is even worse yet. When the time comes, there will be no alternative and the carnage will happen one way or the other.

There are worse things than blood running in the streets. Genocide, kowtowing to tyrants and the extinguishing of the flame of liberty are among them.

There are things that are worth fighting for. There are things that are worth fighting, to the point of extinction, for.

If you don't understand that, then you just don't get it.

I go back to where I referred to post WWI Russia and '30s Germany. In the one case armed conflict happened where the wrong side won, and blood ran in the streets both during and after the conflict. Mass deaths happened even though people stood up to the tyrants, both in the streets as well as the gulags. We do know that the deaths would have occurred anyway. In the other, we have a massive bloody war that was MUCH worse than what would have happened had an internal revolution happened at the proper time. Genocide, slavery and massive battlefield casualties. The blood ran freely in the streets as well as in the death camps. Millions upon millions of needless deaths. All because the people did not stand up to a slick talking genocidal tyrant.
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Old April 9, 2009, 10:45 AM   #52
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There is another element to this that has not been discussed; What is the rest of the world going to do while armed revolution is happening in America? NATO the UN, Canada, Mexico, Russia, China: what are they going to be doing while all this is going on? Not watching it on CNN I can guarantee that. I am not as smart as some on this forum but I cannot think of a single Armed Revolution that has not had some kind of outside intervention of some type(In the last 20 years).

So while we are all running around with our deer rifles, dressed like ninjas what is the rest of the world going to do while the most powerful country in the world self destructs? I will tell you they will dismantle it. Then you would have a 3 or 4 way gun fight going on and that = Anarchy. If we were lucky I could see the US looking like Somalia. That is not a very pleasant picture in my mind.
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Old April 9, 2009, 10:50 AM   #53
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Greetings,

Wow...Very nice conversation. I am impressed.

One thing people must keep in mind: The Amerecan revolution war lasted from 1775 to 1783 and all along less than 10% of the population participated actively and NEVER the majority of the population would think it will work.

One other thing: France revolution was 2 revolutions in one. The first one against the Monarchy and the second one against the revolutioners. The guillotines severed the heads of those who sent the monarchs to the guillotine a few months later. Napoleon was saved at the last moment. Also, the French revolution was litterally the first socialist revolution. Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite is based on socialistic dogma.

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Old April 9, 2009, 11:00 AM   #54
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So while we are all running around with our deer rifles, dressed like ninjas what is the rest of the world going to do while the most powerful country in the world self destructs? I will tell you they will dismantle it. Then you would have a 3 or 4 way gun fight going on and that = Anarchy. If we were lucky I could see the US looking like Somalia. That is not a very pleasant picture in my mind.
Nor in mine, and yes I realize that. The thing you don't get is that the picture in my mind of what happens if we DON'T do that at the appropriate time is just as bad if not worse.

I'd rather have war and anarchy in the pursuit of or the resurrection of freedom with the hope that something good may come of it in the end, than the certainty of living in chains and/or dieing quietly in the gulag/death camps.

Deer rifles? Yep, at first. That doesn't mean that I'd be fighting with such long term -- just long enough to obtain something more appropriate. Remember the rationale behind the FP-45 Liberator. The purpose wasn't to fight the war using a crappy pistol like that, the point was that it was good enough to shoot an enemy soldier and take his weapon. Historically, the peasants may have started their uprising with pitchforks but they picked up pikes and muskets as they went along.
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Old April 9, 2009, 11:00 AM   #55
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The really interesting thing is going to be what the reaction to this 4/15 Tea Party will be.
TO my knowledge this is really the first time a mass demonstration has occurred in the US involving primarily tax payers. For a government official that is very scary.

Of course I don't think it deserves to be called the "Tea Party" because the Boston Tea Party was obviously a little destructive and this is supposed to be quite calm and I expect it to turn out to be quite calm.

How about a bunch of guys dressed up like al quaida going to gas stations and running the pumps into the streets. Boy the EPA would love that. I hope the thread doesn't get locked over that. It was the least effective/most absurd example of a tax protest modeled after the Boston Tea Party I could come up with.
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Old April 9, 2009, 11:17 AM   #56
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OK, this is starting to get just a little on the silly side with some of the comments that have been posted recently.

Ninjas?

Al Queda gas pump jockeys?

Sigh.

I'd like to thank everyone for keeping it on top, and within the boundaries I originally laid out, for as long as you did.

But, it's time for the thread to close.
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