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Old August 15, 2001, 09:44 AM   #1
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"Q" clearance - automatic disqualifiers?

I'm applying for a job that requires a "Q" clearance. During the investigative process, will my 'gunny' activities automatically disqualify me or raise undue red flags?

Would like to hear - VIA PERSONAL MESSAGING FEATURE - from anyone intimately familiar with the clearance process and what might be automatic disqualifiers.
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Old August 15, 2001, 10:26 AM   #2
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Old August 15, 2001, 10:30 AM   #3
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Old August 15, 2001, 10:42 AM   #4
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Old August 15, 2001, 11:47 AM   #5
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Q??

I'll bite: what the heck is a Q clearance? Who grants it?

This isn't for one of those 3 letter agencies that doesn't exist is it?

Can you talk about it without killing me?
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Old August 15, 2001, 12:10 PM   #6
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It's a Department of Energy term for a background investigation which, when completed, can authorize access to classified information up to Top Secret, depending on "need to know".
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Old August 15, 2001, 12:36 PM   #7
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I will try to help as much as possible here. I had a TS clearance when I was in and there where some things in my background that at the time I thought was questionable. The best advice that I can give is that answer all questions TRUTHFULLY If you don't they will find out about it when they do the background check. If you have any drug usuage (no matter if you only experimented) you better tell them. I think the logic being (at least it was explained to my this way) as long as they know about it beforehand they can "overlook" things that would definatly disqualify you if they have to find out for themselves.
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Old August 15, 2001, 03:12 PM   #8
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Good advice from nswgru1. A good background investigator can find out more than you've forgotten.
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Old August 15, 2001, 03:24 PM   #9
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They let me have clearance. I did have to go in for a special interview, because some helpful person at school told them something like "Gorthaur don't hardly ever smoke pot with us." So I had to tell them that I tried it a few times, but hadn't had any since, and promised to be a good boy.
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Old August 15, 2001, 03:50 PM   #10
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Got a member of my family who has been a DOE employee since 1966, Q (or whatever the top available clearance is) for most, if not all of that time, and has been a licensed FFL for 25+ years, buying/selling/trading/repairing firearms for folks, both within and without, the DOE. Don't worry about LAWFUL activity at all. Just follow the earlier advice about being truthful in your responses and there should be no problem; it's those who have something truly bad to hide (like something they didn't want to tell on clearance request forms) that get exploited by governments or individuals who are hostile to the U.S. That's what the clearance people are mostly worried about.
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Old August 15, 2001, 04:00 PM   #11
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Listen to DCR that is name of the game what can "unfriendlies" get on you to force you into giving away secrets.
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Old August 15, 2001, 04:08 PM   #12
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I'm posting this in public for you and any others who may be faced with the same situation. No reason the question or advice should be a secret.

DCR's right. I got my clearance from the AEC (now DOE) about a year earlier than his family member and there was no problem concerning my shooting activities then nor has there been since and the number of clearances has grown since then including most of the 3 letter orgs you can think of. The funny thing about getting and keeping a clearance is that your friends and neighbors all think you are in trouble big time because, as they put it, "the FBI keeps asking me questions about you, what did you do?"

One piece of sage advice I got early on is to keep a copy of any and all questionnaires you fill out and, as someone said earlier, be absolutely truthful on them. You want the copy because in the future when you might need to fill out another, you want the dates and events to match perfectly. For instance if you say you moved to Podunk in June of 19whatever on one questionnaire and in May on another, that is a red flag even though it was strictly a memory thing.
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Old August 15, 2001, 04:53 PM   #13
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In addition to keeping the form you filled out, file an FOIA for your investigation. They'll block out the names sometimes, but you'll get an idea of what folks had to say about you etc. Mine wasn't very exciting, but my friends was pretty interesting.
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Old August 15, 2001, 04:57 PM   #14
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Oh. Is that like a 398 check?
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Old August 15, 2001, 06:37 PM   #15
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I was required to have a top secret clearance and qualify for the personnel reliability program (PRP) to work directly on nuclear weapons. My shooting activities and NRA membership raised zero red flags. How do I know? Because these topics weren't raised during personal interviews with friends, family members, neighbors, acquaintences by government background investigators.

I worked with DOE couriers who provided security escort to nuclear weapon shipments.

As with everyone else's advice, be truthful in your responses to questions.
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Old August 16, 2001, 03:05 AM   #16
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I'm weighing in on the side of openness and truthfulness. I live 15 miles from the DOE's Savannah River Site. I've been around people who work there all my life-family, friends, neighbors, etc. When I worked in a drug rehab, I knew many recovering addicts and alcoholics who applied for jobs requiring a Q clearance. The ones who were upfront and honest about their pasts didn't have a problem obtaining one. It appears that they are not concerned so much with what you have done but rather, the potential for your past being used to blackmail you. If you don't try to hide it from them, it can't be used to blackmail you, now can it?
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Old August 16, 2001, 07:35 AM   #17
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Mal H that is funny! Just a short story here about that. I hadn't told anybody that I might have to get a security clearance and so when I was filling out my questionares and doing my initial interview I remember thinking to myself: well should I tell them about this or should I tell them about that and the guy that was helping me gave me that advice about being truthful. I might have tried to "leave out" some things that I knew only one or two people would have known about thinking I could have given them a call saying look you are going to get a visit..... well anyway I didn't and I didn't have time to tell anybody that the Ibf would be comming to talk to them. I went home on leave about 6 months later. You should have heard the stuff going around town about how much trouble I was in. I live in a pretty small town. I think some people actually thought I might have knocked over Ft Knox. It was really funny. Anyway those "things" that I was tempted to leave out......well its a good thing I told them about it.
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Old August 16, 2001, 09:41 AM   #18
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PRP. Man, I haven't heard that term in quite awhile.

They used to have stenciled on the PAH at the MMII LF's, "TWO MAN POLICY, NO LONE ZONE". Facility maintenance started painting over this in the early '80's. Something about scaring the farmers out in their fields when they were working.

I was in the PRP too. I worked on the LGM30F at Whiteman AFB.
Code Certified, COMSEC, Nuclear Surity(sp)Program. Christ, that sure brought back a lot of memories.

My 398 check took seven months. Came back clear, I guess, and was awarded a TS. None of my friends or family ever mentioned that they had been questioned by any three letter agency.
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Old August 16, 2001, 06:41 PM   #19
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"It's a Department of Energy term for a background investigation which, when completed, can authorize access to classified information up to Top Secret, depending on "need to know"."

Access to classified info up to TS, depending on a need to know is a TS clearance. I haven't caught the difference between that and a "Q" clearance yet ...
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Old August 16, 2001, 06:50 PM   #20
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sensop, There is no difference except where the terms are used. Department of Defense - Top Secret Clearance, Department of Energy - Q Clearance. When I was in the Army I trained at DOE sites and they recognized my DOD TS clearance. I now have a DOE Q clearance and the DOD accepts that if I have to work at a DOD site.
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Old March 18, 2009, 03:21 PM   #21
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The fact you're a gunny won't make any difference. The FBI does the investigations and they will talk to your kindergarten teacher, if they think it required. Be honest and straight forward.
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Old March 18, 2009, 04:57 PM   #22
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Activities/group memberships that can disqualify you from a security clearance are hate-based groups or groups that advocate the overthrow of the government.
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Old March 18, 2009, 06:26 PM   #23
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G'day BLANGBLANG.

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Originally Posted by BLANGBLANG.
If you have Q clearance that would be great if not and you are looking let me know and I will be able to find you a position regardless of your experiense.
I'm out of work at the moment, I might take you up on that offer. It might have to include a "green card" though.
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Old March 18, 2009, 06:32 PM   #24
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So I had to tell them that I tried it a few times, but hadn't had any since, and promised to be a good boy.
otherwise they'd take away his password to the secret club house, and his decoder ring would be made obsolete
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Old March 18, 2009, 07:06 PM   #25
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"8 year old threads are awesome"

Yes they are, and some don't need to be resurrected either - this is one of them.

(Note that it was not grymster who brought back this thread. It was reanimated by a spammer whose post has been deleted.)
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