condition one concealed carry - Page 2

Recon7 · February 11, 2009, 02:06 PM

I carry one in the tube, the "hammer" partially tensioned and all 3 safeties on

David Armstrong · February 11, 2009, 02:08 PM

Didn't vote because it depends on so many different factors. Depending on the gun and the situation, I might carry Condition 1, 2, or 3, whichever I feel is appropriate at that time.

Wagonman · February 12, 2009, 12:29 AM

I hope your muscle memory remembers what situation you are in.

David Armstrong · February 12, 2009, 11:47 AM

I've never found the muscle memory concept to conflict with any style or technique of presentation. One's presentation should not be based on muscle memory, it should be a reasoned response to a threat. My $.02.

Zulu343 · February 12, 2009, 06:45 PM

I'm new to this decision.
I have a S&W 908 that i carry chambered, saftey on. Engaging the saftety decocks if it is cocked. Can not be carried cocked and locked. I'm comfortable with that, since 2 things have to happen - 1) long trigger pull 2) saftey released

Here's my dillema: i just got a cz82 (yesterday) which can not be hammer down and saftey on. The saftey (apparently) only works in the "cocked and locked" position. I'm not yet comfortable with that. I'm trying to figure out how to carry it, as "uncocked and locked" is not an option.
Any thoughts?

NavyLT · February 12, 2009, 08:41 PM

Here is from another blog regarding CZ82:
Not so hard to let the hammer down if you remember to release the trigger in the middle of the process...that puts the hammer stop into play...

So, grip the hammer tightly, squeeze the trigger, let the hammer come partly forward to where half-cock would be if it had one, release the trigger, then release the hammer and the mechanism prevents the hammer from getting within an eighth of the firing pin.

...practice with it empty of course

I would not hesitate at all to carry the CZ82 chamber loaded with the hammer down, safety off, ready for a DA pull of the trigger. It's the same way I carry a Taurus PT92 or Beretta 92FS or Ruger P345.

oldkim · February 13, 2009, 04:53 PM

Even for 1911 carriers it's somewhat tough to start off carrying cocked and locked, even though, the gun is designed to be carried this way.

When you first start off concealed carrying you have to be comfortable with the condition of your carry gun. So, like some have stated be it condition 1, 2, or 3

Practice how you carry and how to react to make your gun ready. So, if you have a loaded magazine but none in the chamber. You know when you draw you'll have to rack the slide to load a round in the chamber. Practice that way.

We all develop in stages. Some are comfortable starting off in condition one. Some are not. Where ever you are - be comfortable and train that way. You may find yourself later scaling up... that's good. But, if it's more comfortable for your state of mind to carry in condition 2 or 3 or whatever do so. Just be aware of the downside but if you train you can develop some fast deployment tactics.

One guy showed me an Israeli tactic to rack the slide upon engaging. He drew from concealed and as the gun was about belly button height he would grasp the slide and before it reached his chest the gun was racked and he was shooting. He did this very fast - faster than I could of just drawing my gun.

David Armstrong · February 13, 2009, 07:31 PM

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One guy showed me an Israeli tactic to rack the slide upon engaging. He drew from concealed and as the gun was about belly button height he would grasp the slide and before it reached his chest the gun was racked and he was shooting. He did this very fast - faster than I could of just drawing my gun.

Most folks don't realize how little time, if any, is added to the presentation by racking the slide, especially if the shooter knows what he is doing.

View Poll Results: how do you carry? and why?
Condition 1 Cocked and Locked	61	67.03%
Condition 2 Chambered Hammer down	31	34.07%
Condition 3 full Mag None it the pipe	5	5.49%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

February 13, 2009, 04:53 PM	#32
oldkim Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2008 Location: Renton, WA Posts: 461	Carry the way you are comfortable Even for 1911 carriers it's somewhat tough to start off carrying cocked and locked, even though, the gun is designed to be carried this way. When you first start off concealed carrying you have to be comfortable with the condition of your carry gun. So, like some have stated be it condition 1, 2, or 3 Practice how you carry and how to react to make your gun ready. So, if you have a loaded magazine but none in the chamber. You know when you draw you'll have to rack the slide to load a round in the chamber. Practice that way. We all develop in stages. Some are comfortable starting off in condition one. Some are not. Where ever you are - be comfortable and train that way. You may find yourself later scaling up... that's good. But, if it's more comfortable for your state of mind to carry in condition 2 or 3 or whatever do so. Just be aware of the downside but if you train you can develop some fast deployment tactics. One guy showed me an Israeli tactic to rack the slide upon engaging. He drew from concealed and as the gun was about belly button height he would grasp the slide and before it reached his chest the gun was racked and he was shooting. He did this very fast - faster than I could of just drawing my gun. __________________ "Shoot Safetly, Shoot Often and Share Your Sport." Jim Scoutten, Shooting USA Check out my new website: www.shootonthemove.org

February 11, 2009, 02:06 PM	#26
Recon7 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2005 Posts: 705	I carry one in the tube, the "hammer" partially tensioned and all 3 safeties on

February 11, 2009, 02:08 PM	#27
David Armstrong Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2005 Location: SW Louisiana Posts: 2,289	Didn't vote because it depends on so many different factors. Depending on the gun and the situation, I might carry Condition 1, 2, or 3, whichever I feel is appropriate at that time.

February 12, 2009, 12:29 AM	#28
Wagonman Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 982	I hope your muscle memory remembers what situation you are in.

February 12, 2009, 11:47 AM	#29
David Armstrong Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2005 Location: SW Louisiana Posts: 2,289	I've never found the muscle memory concept to conflict with any style or technique of presentation. One's presentation should not be based on muscle memory, it should be a reasoned response to a threat. My $.02.

February 12, 2009, 06:45 PM	#30
Zulu343 Junior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Posts: 14	I'm new to this decision. I have a S&W 908 that i carry chambered, saftey on. Engaging the saftety decocks if it is cocked. Can not be carried cocked and locked. I'm comfortable with that, since 2 things have to happen - 1) long trigger pull 2) saftey released Here's my dillema: i just got a cz82 (yesterday) which can not be hammer down and saftey on. The saftey (apparently) only works in the "cocked and locked" position. I'm not yet comfortable with that. I'm trying to figure out how to carry it, as "uncocked and locked" is not an option. Any thoughts?

February 12, 2009, 08:41 PM	#31
NavyLT Junior member Join Date: January 25, 2006 Location: Oak Harbor, WA Posts: 1,719	Here is from another blog regarding CZ82: Not so hard to let the hammer down if you remember to release the trigger in the middle of the process...that puts the hammer stop into play... So, grip the hammer tightly, squeeze the trigger, let the hammer come partly forward to where half-cock would be if it had one, release the trigger, then release the hammer and the mechanism prevents the hammer from getting within an eighth of the firing pin. ...practice with it empty of course I would not hesitate at all to carry the CZ82 chamber loaded with the hammer down, safety off, ready for a DA pull of the trigger. It's the same way I carry a Taurus PT92 or Beretta 92FS or Ruger P345.