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Old November 22, 2008, 03:02 PM   #51
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Would I? Yes, in time of perceived need. As others have noted, now is not that time.
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Old November 22, 2008, 11:21 PM   #52
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Tonight I made my decision. If the economy gets bad enough that I can no longer get canned whipped cream I am starting a revolution I could not live without the occasional upending of a reddiwhip can for a shot of whipped cream and the ensuing objections of the women in my life. Dear Mr. Obama, keep the Reddiwhip coming.

I am concerned no one noticed my attemt to improve communication as Bart Roberts suggested.

At least Obamas plan is to start massive infrastructure projects similar to TVA. It won't pull us out of the depression, but it might make things jump up even faster after world war three does. Bankrupting the country won't be for naught.

Holding my breath until the Chinese government starts seizing assets of US companies in China to cover our national debt. What the hell are we going to do about it? China has 8-12 solid fuel ICBMs. Start bending boys!!!
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Old December 7, 2008, 12:43 PM   #53
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Now everywhere I drive I hear The Who and get depressed. I am on the verge of buying an ipod. Maybe Wild is just hoping Alaska will join Canada.
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Old December 11, 2008, 05:46 PM   #54
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Yes I would sign and yes I agree with it
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Old December 23, 2008, 12:21 AM   #55
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I wanted to bring this back up. Anyone ready to sign who wasn't before?

I am still waiting for canned cool whip to be unavailable before i get my panties in a bunch.
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Old January 3, 2009, 09:51 AM   #56
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Pax,
I did`nt even recognize your post as the Declaration of Independence until Antipitas post. I sure would like to sign it.
As I was reading the post though, I was thinking that, this is what is happening right now in our government. And we need to to exercise those rights now.
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Old January 3, 2009, 10:51 AM   #57
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Pax for president in 2012
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Old January 6, 2009, 05:45 PM   #58
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If they can take away your incandescent light bulbs and your high-pressure toilet, they can take your Reddiwhip...



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Old July 4, 2014, 08:48 AM   #59
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Bumping this old thread to say Happy Independence Day!

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Old July 4, 2014, 09:12 AM   #60
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So what's your opinion? Have we reached the tipping point yet? The OP was written before
  • Snowden and the NSA revelations
  • The IRS targeting scandal
  • The administration-created illegal alien flood problem
  • The President's avowed intention to bypass the will of Congress by executive order

How much is "enough"?
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Old July 4, 2014, 09:28 AM   #61
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A person will not act until he has been backed into a corner and has nothing to lose.

Once that point is reached, look out.
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Old July 4, 2014, 09:49 AM   #62
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Thanks for bringing this thread back up. I enjoyed reading it. "Happy Independence Day" back at ya!
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Old July 4, 2014, 10:08 AM   #63
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A person will not act until he has been backed
into a corner and has nothing to lose.
It only took 3%

Never, ever underestimate the power of even a small number of people willing to act...
For good.... or for evil.
History is replete....
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Old July 4, 2014, 10:17 AM   #64
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A person will not act until he has been backed into a corner and has nothing to lose.
But does anybody even have the will and inclination to act anymore? Voter turnout numbers suggest otherwise.

I really want to think we've got something in common with the 56 folks who signed the Declaration of Independence, but I worry.
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Old July 4, 2014, 10:23 AM   #65
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Thanks for bumping this thread! A great read and I can't believe I missed it the first time around.
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Old July 4, 2014, 10:56 AM   #66
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Enjoyed reading this. Thanks Pax. Happy Independence day everyone!
Lets not forget what our freedom cost those who paid for it, and lets not fear if need be to pay that cost for our children's future.
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Old July 4, 2014, 12:04 PM   #67
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When in the course of human events --

Happy Independence Day.
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Old July 4, 2014, 01:21 PM   #68
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So what's your opinion? Have we reached the tipping point yet? The OP was written before

Snowden and the NSA revelations
The IRS targeting scandal
The administration-created illegal alien flood problem
The President's avowed intention to bypass the will of Congress by executive order

How much is "enough"?
Snowden and NSA are about the only thing on that list that is both bi-partisan and headed toward being buried while unresolved.

The IRS targeting scandal looks more and more like it's going to blow up in someone's face. Enough moderates will join the conservatives to make somebody pay for it. The only question I have is how they'll prevent it from happening again with another "fall guy".

The administration created illegal alien flood program, wasn't administration created. At least not by this one. He's not flying down to these countries winking, nodding, and telling them don't come North.

President Bush avowed a lot of things I didn't agree with but didn't worry about either. When President Obama's executive orders go too far, he gets slapped down by the Supreme Court still. so checks and balances are still functioning. And he's losing more and more influence every time, getting closer and closer to the tipping point on his final term.

The four year term, and two term paradigm may be the last greatest gift Washington gave us. It's pretty easy to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The Civil War didn't happen because they worried Lincoln would be in office for 8+(as it was before the term limit) years, they worried what Lincoln accomplished would be irreversible. Same with the Revolutionary War. King George wasn't going to get voted out. No light at the end of the tunnel.

Very little in President Obama's remaining platform screams irreversible. He's not getting a gun ban for example. Even if he did, he's not getting a forced turn-in/buy-back, allowing those who have them to keep them, then get it reversed in judicial review or electoral action.
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Old July 4, 2014, 03:17 PM   #69
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Very little in President Obama's remaining platform screams irreversible. He's not getting a gun ban for example. Even if he did, he's not getting a forced turn-in/buy-back, allowing those who have them to keep them, then get it reversed in judicial review or electoral action
I wish more people understood this.
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Old July 5, 2014, 12:32 AM   #70
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Happy Independence Day!

Gladly (VERY MUCH SO), we still have a roughly functional government. Peaceful ways to address our problems still have a good chance for working. Maybe we don't get exactly what we want all the time, but the chances of getting reasonable compromises in most areas are decent.
I see some people talking on the internet about how we are approaching another Civil War like time, but I just don't see it. Do you really think large numbers of people are willing to kill their neighbors for disagreeing over Citizens United, the ACA, or whatever the topic of the day is? I just don't see that as likely, and that makes me quite happy.
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Old July 5, 2014, 02:12 AM   #71
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But does anybody even have the will and inclination to act anymore? Voter turnout numbers suggest otherwise.
We live in the land of apathy. As long as people have their 2.3 kids, backyard BBQ, 56" flat screen TV, minivan and house in suburbia, they have no real motivation to act as most of what happens is not perceived by anyone as "affecting" them.

And I guarantee that nobody who has anything to lose (such as a pension, or their prized possessions) is going to "rise up" and take action against something they don't perceive as being that important to them. Case in point: Ask any cop who is "rah rah" for the 2nd Amendment if he would be willing to forego his pension for what he believes; I doubt if one out of 10000 would answer "yes."

And regarding voting: A growing concensus is that ANY politician is little more than a snake in the grass that talks out of both sides of his mouth, hence the "why bother to vote" attitude.
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Old July 5, 2014, 02:27 AM   #72
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The four year term, and two term paradigm may be the last greatest gift Washington gave us. It's pretty easy to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Washington had nothing to do with it. He merely voiced an opinion that no man should serve more than two terms. Lincoln could have been reelected as many times as he wanted if he hadn't been shot.

It was the Republicans that proposed and got the 22nd Amendment in 1947 after FDR's 4 terms.

Ironically, it was the Republicans again that wanted to repeal that amendment when Reagan was in office.
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Old July 5, 2014, 02:59 AM   #73
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I see some people talking on the internet about how we are approaching another Civil War like time, but I just don't see it. Do you really think large numbers of people are willing to kill their neighbors for disagreeing over Citizens United, the ACA, or whatever the topic of the day is? I just don't see that as likely, and that makes me quite happy.
It is always difficult to tell whether the passions of the moment create an environment in which a spark will die out or will erupt into a conflagration.

Even in the critical months preceding the beginning of the Civil War, large numbers of people were not willing to kill their neighbors over the issue of slavery, or even the dissolution of the Union. What I have read suggests the general sentiment in Northern states was "good riddance" to the seceding Southern states. However, the hostilities at Fort Sumter provided a different issue -or spark- that ignited the Civil War.
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Old July 5, 2014, 03:11 AM   #74
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Even in the critical months preceding the beginning of the Civil War, large numbers of people were not willing to kill their neighbors over the issue of slavery, or even the dissolution of the Union. What I have read suggests the general sentiment in Northern states was "good riddance" to the seceding Southern states. However, the hostilities at Fort Sumter provided a different issue -or spark- that ignited the Civil War.
The root causes of the Civil War go all the back to the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
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Old July 5, 2014, 03:58 AM   #75
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The root causes of the Civil War go all the back to the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
Precisely. And the root causes of the various issues that currently divide our nation's sentiments often go back many decades. But that does not mean anyone can predict whether our national divisions can or cannot be amicably resolved or, if they cannot be resolved, what unforeseen event might produce an untenable situation.
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