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Old April 6, 2005, 05:48 AM   #1
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Black Powder Shotgun slug winchester 1893 Question!

I started this thread in skunkworks reloading forum but I guess this is a more appropriate place to put the question:

My question.

I have a winchester 1893. 12g - 2 5/8 chamber - blackpowder pump shotgun-no choke

I want to shoot, an all brass cartridge, blackpowder with a slug. For nearby accuracy 20-50 yards. I want to shoot without plastic wads.


First: Which SLUG (which mould) should I use????

-LEE (with hollow base)
-Lyman sabbot
-Lyman forrester
-other ????? (terminator?? rapine (very expensive))


Second: What is the best practice in Filling&reloading an all brass cartridge.
What wads ? and do these slugs fit in an all-brass shell without plastic wads?



Third: Does anyone have experience with this and with different loads???



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Old April 6, 2005, 05:49 AM   #2
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AMSWERS by LEFTOVERDJ

by leftoverdj:

I got started in reloading with black powder 12 gauge for a damascus twist shotgun before shotcups were common. You're going to run into a little trouble getting card wads for those brass shells. I understand they need 11 gauge wads because of the thinner walls. Try BPI and Olde Western Scrounger for 11 gauge over powder wads. You might wind up having to make a circle punch to cut your own OP wads. Book covers work well for this. If filler wads are a problem, hardwood sawdust mixed with about 10% mineral oil works. Just make up a dipper that throws enough sawdust to be compressed pretty good when your slug is seated. 60 grains of Fg is a reasonable charge.

Your best bet for a slug is a simple round ball the diameter of your choke. Dixie Gun Works will make you a mould to your specs for about $30. There's Brit feller who makes nicer ones http://www.jt-bullet-moulds.co.uk/moulds.html for $35. The RB is in period, the easiest to get to shoot well out to about 50 yards, and the cheapest. You can keep leading down and help keep the ball in place by pouring a little melted beeswax on top of each ball after the shell is loaded.

other answer by leftoverDJ:

I got started in reloading with black powder 12 gauge for a damascus twist shotgun before shotcups were common. You're going to run into a little trouble getting card wads for those brass shells. I understand they need 11 gauge wads because of the thinner walls. Try BPI and Olde Western Scrounger for 11 gauge over powder wads. You might wind up having to make a circle punch to cut your own OP wads. Book covers work well for this. If filler wads are a problem, hardwood sawdust mixed with about 10% mineral oil works. Just make up a dipper that throws enough sawdust to be compressed pretty good when your slug is seated. 60 grains of Fg is a reasonable charge.

Your best bet for a slug is a simple round ball the diameter of your choke. Dixie Gun Works will make you a mould to your specs for about $30. There's Brit feller who makes nicer ones http://www.jt-bullet-moulds.co.uk/moulds.html for $35. The RB is in period, the easiest to get to shoot well out to about 50 yards, and the cheapest. You can keep leading down and help keep the ball in place by pouring a little melted beeswax on top of each ball after the shell is loaded
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Old April 7, 2005, 08:47 AM   #3
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exact caliger lyman slugs

Lyman stated

12 ga sabot .680-.682 diameter
12 ga foster .703-.703 diameter

in lead
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Old April 13, 2005, 10:17 AM   #4
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lee slug diameter

The diameter of the slug is .680 at the nose and.660 at the base.

I guess without a cupwad this slug is rattling
tumbling
rolling down your barrel ?????

The only tight fitting slug remaining is the Rapine .730 ???

But where to buy?????
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Old April 23, 2005, 08:56 AM   #5
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You might have trouble with your brass caseings in a repeater.
We tried them in a Spencer and they got dinged up a bit, especially when they hit the ground!
Makes for some "tinsmithing" when trying to resize them.

We use paper hulls now in our repeaters and save the brass for our SXS's.
Don't know if the Winchester is the same as the Spencer, though.
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Old May 28, 2008, 03:26 AM   #6
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At last we're in business

Well
after quite some time I
I got my shotgun winchester 1893 running and I made some ammunition

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=6GY4AWN5LgE

Off course the slug was tested !








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Old May 29, 2008, 09:47 AM   #7
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Check out one of the other posts just above this one, we cover some questions.

Black powder cartridge guns / loads... who plays...

Maybe this will help you.
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