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Old July 18, 2007, 01:05 AM   #1
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.41 Magnum shotshell---

Does anyone know of a shotshell or capsule for shot for
the .41 Magnum ctg. ?

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Old July 18, 2007, 12:01 PM   #2
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Prince55,

Unfortunately, no one that I could find over the last 20 years has made one any for the .41mag. I make my own though by loading a case with either Bullseye powder or Unique and place a gas check on top of the powder, fill almost to the top with your choice of birdshot, place the next gas check upside down inside the case and lightly crimp to hold in place. You will have to try different powder loads and shot sizes to achieve the desired result, but when you do it works great out to about 15ft. Keep in mind it takes very little of each of those powders to propel the load. I started by using the smallest load in the loading manual for the caliber I was shooting.

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Old July 18, 2007, 04:46 PM   #3
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Quote:
Does anyone know of a shotshell or capsule for shot for
the .41 Magnum ctg.?
You could try a hard gelatin veterinarian's capsule. The 000 size is .39" in diameter, and just over 1" long. See http://www.torpac.com/english_table.htm

You might find these in stock in a feed store that caters to horse owners.
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Old July 18, 2007, 09:44 PM   #4
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.41 Magnum Shotshell---

WoW---Thanks so Much for 2 Great answers.
I have a bag of # 7 1/2 shot. I'll give it a try.
Probably 8 or 9 shot would be a little better.
The .41 is my Favorite of the Magnums and it is
an Excellent penetrating round, and the .357 is no
slouch with heavy bullets.
Thanks again for the answers and ideas.
What a Great site.
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Old July 18, 2007, 10:04 PM   #5
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I have tried the 2 gascheck load and it will work OK but some of the many .41s I've owned didn't really pattern all that well so I went back to using solid bullets and careful aim instead. .41 gaschecks are getting awful hard to find anymore and I don't know if Lyman even makes them now. Hornady lists a .416 check but I don't know if they will work with the 410610 mould I have. I DO know that they are awful pricey.
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Old July 19, 2007, 07:37 AM   #6
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Oh yes.....just about anything you try to purchase for the 41mag is pricey. I have often thought about starting a business supplying the needs for those 41mag gunners, like myself. I have been pretty lucky in that I have found lots of 41mag reloading supplies on the close out racks of some gunstores. Walked into an old gunstore/pawn shop/hardware store a couple of years ago and found a brand new set of RCBS reloading dies for about half the cost of new ones. I picked them up and set them back down and the owner came over and offered to sell to me for another 15% off. I walked out the door with them and a container of H-110 powder, paid for with the savings.

I have been real lucky with the gaschecks in my Redhawk. They have shot accurately and patterened nicely. I can consistiently turn a small lemon, which is about the size of one of our average sized Diamondback Rattle Snake here in Texas, into lemonaide at 10 feet.
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Old July 19, 2007, 11:53 AM   #7
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Before handgun caliber shotshells and shot capsules became readily available, I used to make cylinder length .44 mag shotshells from .30-40 Krag cases and .41 mag shotshells from .30-30 cases. The Krag case rims had to be reduced in diameter and thinned slightly. I thinned the rims by chucking the case in a drill press, and using a fine toothed hacksaw blade flat against the case with the teeth pointed down against the forward side of the rim. The .44 mags would take a half ounce of shot, but I don't remember how much I put in the .41's. The .30-30 cases would swell slightly ahead of the rim when fire-forming, but nowhere near enough to split.
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Old August 31, 2007, 10:53 PM   #8
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Handgun Shotshells + the .41 Magnum

Ahhh two of my favorite things in one topic.

As many of you know the .41 Magnum is my all time favorire cartridge.
And I must confess that I have long been enamored of handgun shotshells.
Yes I know they have extremely limited usefulness. And an even more limited range but I am just fascinated by them.
I recall as a young teenager there was a photo in Shooting Times (cover?) of a .45 Ruger Blackhawk with ivory stocks laying on top of a nicely tooled gunbelt. In the loops next to standard .45 Colt loads there were several cut down Remington .410 shells. I can still vividly recall the contrast of the green plastic shells against the rich brown of the cartridge belt.

Over the past 30 years I have made shotshells for everything from .38 Special to .45 Colt and most calibers in between. For both revolvers and semi-autos.

For .45 Colt I use cut down .410 cases. Back in the old days when they were available, I used to use Remington 5-in-1 blanks. I also used them for .44 WCF and .38 WCF. The extra long cases blew out nicely to fit the chambers and held a healthy shot charge. Much more than a .410 but alas genuine 5-in-1s are hard to come by. The ones made today by Starline don't work nearly as well.

For .44 Special I used both .30-40 Krag as well as .303 British cases. Chucking the cases into a drill press and using a file to turn down the rims.

For .41 Magnum I have used all of the .30-30 clan (.32 Winchester Special, .32-40 and .38-55). Remember this was back when all of those cases were relatively common. Yes you get a little bulge ahead of the case head but it's nothing to worry about since we're not exactly talking max pressures here. More recently I have made .41 shotshells from 6mm Remington brass but it's a LOT of work. And thanks to Dan Wesson it's now completely.


By far the easiest way to make them today is to just get some .414 Supermag brass from Starline and use it as a starting point to make a chamber length shotshell.

You will also need a set of .41 Long Colt dies. You use the Long Colt sizing die to resize the neck portion of the case that the Magnum sizing die is too large for.
The expander die is often large enough to allow the larger portion of the case to enter. We only need the expander to seat the over powder wads to a uniform depth. This step can be done with a proper fitting dowel and a mallet. But I prefer the ease of a die. If the expander dies are the same brand you may be able to use the Long Colt expander in your Magnum die.
After you drill out the lower portion of the Long Colt seat/crimp die you can use it to roll crimp the top wad in place.

As with all handgun shotshells the smaller the shot the better the pattern will be. Personally I think #9 is the LARGEST to even consider. I have found 7½ to be almost useless as anything smaller than a housecat can easily fit through the gaps in the pattern. #12 is better if you can find it. BPI sells it and one bag will probably last you a lifetime. Unless you're like me and then it will only last three or four years.
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Old August 31, 2007, 10:56 PM   #9
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HEY!!! I just noticed something...

Jbar4Ranch do you or did you make holsters?

I recently acquired a pancake type for my 3" S&W 657 .41 and it has Jbar4 stamped on the back.

Any connection?
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