The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Firing Line Gun Show > Retail Deals and Feedback

Notices

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old March 20, 2007, 02:34 AM   #1
theinvisibleheart
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2005
Location: virtual internet world with a Daisy Red Ryder, LOL
Posts: 682
-1 Mike B. of Arizona/Turrican

I bought a NEW Yugo M92 kit from Mike B.(mikeb...)/AR15.com, AK forum handle Turrican. Before buying the kit, I asked him in an email exchange if this was the EXACTLY THE SAME KIT THAT Gunthings.com was selling

Here are the verbatim email exchange:

Quote:
Originally Posted by John
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 9:41 PM
To: Mike <mikeb...>
http://www.gunthings.com/galil.htm

$399 NEW at above website down the page
>>>
Yugoslavian M92 Krinkov kit, 7.62 x 39mm, includes all parts in
picture, the whole gun without receiver, rivets included, with mag,
new $399.00
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike B.
Mike <mikeb...> Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 9:46 PM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
That is the exact same kit I am selling and mine is still just as NEW for
35.00 less and I am paying shipping. Which makes it about 50.00 less. I
bought it from them.

After I received the kit, I noticed that the kit was missing NEW magazine unlike the way I described Gunthings.com M92 kit. When I emailed and asked Mike about this, here is the first email reply I got in a series of nasty reply I got from him:


My email to Mike just before reply 1:

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 10:23 AM
To: Mike <mikeb...>
http://www.gunthings.com/krinkkit.jpg

bro, it's clear that the kit from Gunthings.com includes NEW mag. Can
you send me the NEW mag ASAP?

reply 1:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike B.
On 3/11/07, Mike <mike...> wrote:
Mike <mikeb...> Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 5:32 PM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
Sorry I dont have a NEW mag to send you. I didnt advertise it as including a
NEW mag. Perhaps they do.

reply 2:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike B.
Mike <mikeb...> Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:39 PM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
You can do that if you want. I was selling a kit. That is all. I didnt say
it came with a mag. You have no right to demand a mag. Not all kits have
mags all the time. What are you going to say you want ammo with it to? I
didnt get a mag. Sorry. If I had a mag I would give it to you. They are only
12.00.

I dont care. I have plenty of friends and good feedback on every
board. if i promised you a mag you would have a point but I didnt say I was
including a mag. What they do at gunthings has nothing to do with what I do.
So go ahead and start a flame war and I will start one on you too and we
will let the guys on the board decide who is right. I didnt include a sling
either and some dealers include those too. I advertised a virgin kit. That
is all and that is what you got. You even sent an email saying you were
happy with the deal now you are trying to make me lose even more money.

You cant come back and start bitching about wanting more things that I wasnt offering in my sale. If you wanted a mag you should have asked for one and I would have told you I didnt have one with it. All of my Yugo mags are used.

I dont respond to threats. So I wont offer you anything now. Good luck
trying to make me look bad. It is not fair for you to try and get more out
of me now. I wasnt offering mags with the deal. Why you expect one just
because someone else is offering one and charging more is beyond me. I sent
it priority just like we agreeed. I did everything that we agreed on.

If you wanted to pay 50.00 more to get a 12.00 mag you should have bought it from them. You got a good deal on a brand new kit that I had to you two days after you paid. I will be sure to post these emails in you negative threads about me to show how shady you are acting.

reply 3:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike B.
Mike <mike...> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 12:26 AM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
If you post my family's info you will be sorry. I have children that live
her andn you are endangering there safety.

I have sent your threatening
letter to the mods and they have said you are in the wrong. I also showed
them your email showing where you said you were happy with the kit. Now you
decide you want more after the fact. Dont forget, I have all your ino too.

I have a higher feedback rating then you. Why not just go buy a mag if that
is what you really want. I think you have other reasons for this besides the
12.00 mag you are complaining about.

I have sent your emails to two of my
friends and they agree you are trying to extort more from me. If you read
the add it says nothing about a mag. If I had a new mag I would give it to
you just to shut you up but I dont so there is nothing I can do. I think you
just changed your mind about the kit and now you are trying to weasel out of
the deal and blame it on me over one little mag. I thought you were a cool
guy from our emails but I guess you are not after all.

The gist of the email exchanges is that in the email exchange, I was assured that Mike was selling the SAME KIT THAT GUNTHINGS.COM WAS SELLING. After I get the kit, I'm told that's not the case and I'M A EXTORTIONIST among other things Mr. B. states in his series of email to me.

He also personally MADE THREATS AGAINST ME. The email from Mr. Mike B. just keeps on getting nastier and nastier.

--John
theinvisibleheart is offline  
Old March 20, 2007, 05:55 AM   #2
RsqVet
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 20, 2005
Posts: 2,322
Not to make a long story longer but seeing your e-mails that prompted such responses would go a long way towards making your case 100% as seeing a relply in absence of the stateemtns that generated it makes it hard to judge compleatly.

In other words who started the posting family informtation stuff? Sorry the way this reads (without your e-mails) it reads as if you promted this by going down that road, and frankly that makes his positon more understandable for you have a relitivly moderate to minor gripe, and there is no nead to drag his family into it. NO judgement, just letting you knwo how it reads.
RsqVet is offline  
Old March 20, 2007, 12:00 PM   #3
theinvisibleheart
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2005
Location: virtual internet world with a Daisy Red Ryder, LOL
Posts: 682
I was wrong

Mr. Turrican/Mike B. is right. I apologize for any misunderstanding.

--John
theinvisibleheart is offline  
Old March 20, 2007, 12:10 PM   #4
theinvisibleheart
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2005
Location: virtual internet world with a Daisy Red Ryder, LOL
Posts: 682
apologies to Mr. Turrican/Mike B. and everybody else,

for losing my cool. I apology for any bad things I said about you. It was a big misunderstanding on my part. Thank you for selling me the kit at the price you did.

Be blessed, Mr. Turrican/Mike B.

--John
DFW,TX
theinvisibleheart is offline  
Old March 20, 2007, 07:02 PM   #5
turrican
Junior Member
 
Join Date: March 20, 2007
Posts: 2
Hello guys, sorry such a lame first post. I have had to join a lot of new boards to try and clear my name due to the actions of this person. This looks like a cool site the and I will definately be around more. I post on lots of other boards under the same name and I do a lot of trading with lots of great deals for both sides. Please let me explain my side.

First of all here is what happened.
1.I NEVER adopted the add from gunthings as my add. I had an add for a kit that is all. He put up that description himself. I never advertised a mag. I was trying to illustrate what this type of AK is to someone who is obviously very ignorant with regards to them. I never offered a mag. I DONT EVEN HAVE A NEW MAG!

2. He asked what it was and I told him it was the same as the one gunthings was selling. Meaning an M92.

3. I ship it to him priority the next day. "When I get home that day he sends me an email saying what is demilled and what is virgin.?" I explain the difference and he realizes he cant put it together.

4. An hour later I see an add on SAIGA12.com from him selling the kit for 30.00 more then I sold it to him for. Mind you he is not even in possession of this kit yet. Since it is still in the mail he rips off the description and the picture from the gunthings website and advertises it using all THEIR info which I have let them know about. Because the picture in HIS add and HIS description shows a mag he now needs to provide a mag. So he decdides to threaten to flame me on "every gun board" if I dont give him one.

5.He threatens me and says he will post my address all over the internet if he doesnt get his way.

6. At this point I tell him to do his worst because I dont care at this point. Its not about the mag it is the principal of it now.

If he would have been a man about it and said he couldnt build a VIRGIN kit, I would have given him back his money. I could easily resell it as I had lots of emails about it after I sold it to him. If I thought he was truly sorry I would give him some leads to help sell it. But I dont like internet cowards like him. He said he would ruin me on the boards and he would "let the people decide" Well, they have and the truth is known. Now I have to go and sign up on every gunboard he flamed me on and tell my side of the story. It wasnt even advertised on all these other boards but this is his way of trying to force me to give him a mag.

As far as the missing emails here is one of his between what he posted from me #1 and #2. He only posted my responses, not his threats.
I will publish your handle, full name, and address, and
the text of this email correspondence on every gun board I can find
for the rest of this year.
--John

I highly recommend to all reading this to avoid him like the plague. DEAL WITH HIM AT YOU OWN RISK. If he gets this worked up about a mag, think what else he could do. Truth is I am worried about him coming to my house to try and start something. He keeps telling me he has my address.
turrican is offline  
Old March 20, 2007, 07:28 PM   #6
kristop64089
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 4, 2006
Location: 30 miles from Sixer
Posts: 3,762
You,re clear in my eyes Turrican. I had a deal go down on a strait trade, guy new exactly what I had and I knew exactly what he had. When he recieved mine, he called me saying I screwed him.

It took a bit of effort to appease his ignorance, but I did. So I feel for ya man!
__________________
Quote:
If a chicken and a half laid an egg and a half in a minute and a half...how long would it take a monkey with a wooden leg to kick the seeds out of a dill pickle?
kristop64089 is offline  
Old March 26, 2007, 02:21 PM   #7
theinvisibleheart
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2005
Location: virtual internet world with a Daisy Red Ryder, LOL
Posts: 682
complete email exchange

I've already apologized but since some people have requested complete email exchanges b/w Mr. Turrican/Mike B. and myself, here they are.


--John/theinvisibleheart
Email: theinvisibleheart@gmail.com


Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 10:41 PM
To: Mike <mikeb...>
http://www.gunthings.com/galil.htm
$399 NEW at above website down the page
>>>
Yugoslavian M92 Krinkov kit, 7.62 x 39mm, includes all parts in
picture, the whole gun without receiver, rivets included, with mag,
new $399.00


Quote:
Originally Posted by Turrican/Mike B.
Mike <mikeb... > Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 10:46 PM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
That is the exact same kit I am selling and mine is still just as NEW for
35.00 less and I am paying shipping. Which makes it about 50.00 less. I
bought it from them.


Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 10:52 PM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
how much are you selling for? how much was the shipping?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Turrican/Mike B.
Mike <mikeb... > Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 10:56 PM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
I paid 15.00 for the shipping from them I think. I am asking 360.00 shipped.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:01 PM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
you got it! terms of pmt?


Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:12 PM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
I'll take it for $360 ship'd. USPS MO or PP?

Transaction gets concluded.


Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
theinvisibleheart@gmail.com <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Thu, Mar
15, 2007 at 3:48 PM
Reply-To: theinvisibleheart@gmail.com
To: Mike <mikeb... >
Got the kit, thanks for superservice!
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:19 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
bro, I just noticed that the kit you sold to me doesn't include NEW
mag when the kit from Gunthings.com does. Didn't you tell me that the
kit was from Gunthings.com and as it was?

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:23 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
http://www.gunthings.com/krinkkit.jpg
bro, it's clear that the kit from Gunthings.com includes NEW mag. Can
you send me the NEW mag ASAP?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turrican/Mike B.
Mike <mikeb... > Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 6:32 PM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
Sorry I dont have a NEW mag to send you. I didnt advertise it as including a
NEW mag. Perhaps they do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 12:16 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
here's the exact quote from our email correspondence:
>>>
from Mike <mikeb... > hide
details Mar 11
to The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
date Mar 11, 2007 10:46 PM
subject Re: AR15.Com Email :: theinvisibleheart :: m92 kit?
mailed-by cox.net
That is the exact same kit I am selling and mine is still just as NEW for
35.00 less and I am paying shipping. Which makes it about 50.00 less. I
bought it from them.
<<<
the "exact same kit" was in reference to the Gunthings.com kit which
included new mag. If you deny this, you are misrepresented the item
you sold. In that case, I would like to return the kit and get my
money back.
If you fail to reply to this email, I will assume that you are not in
good faith. I will publish your handle, full name, and address, and
the text of this email correspondence on every gun board I can find
for the rest of this year.
--John


Quote:
Originally Posted by Turrican/Mike B.
Mike <mikeb... > Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 12:39 AM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
You can do that if you want. I was selling a kit. That is all. I didnt say
it came with a mag. You have no right to demand a mag. Not all kits have
mags all the time. What are you going to say you want ammo with it to? I
didnt get a mag. Sorry. If I had a mag I would give it to you. They are only
12.00. I dont care. I have plenty of friends and good feedback on every
board. if i promised you a mag you would have a point but I didnt say I was
including a mag. What they do at gunthings has nothing to do with what I do.
So go ahead and start a flame war and I will start one on you too and we
will let the guys on the board decide who is right. I didnt include a sling
either and some dealers include those too. I advertised a virgin kit. That
is all and that is what you got. You even sent an email saying you were
happy with the deal now you are trying to make me lose even more money. You
cant come back and start bitching about wanting more things that I wasnt
offering in my sale. If you wanted a mag you should have asked for one and I
would have told you I didnt have one with it. All of my Yugo mags are used.
I dont respond to threats. So I wont offer you anything now. Good luck
trying to make me look bad. It is not fair for you to try and get more out
of me now. I wasnt offering mags with the deal. Why you expect one just
because someone else is offering one and charging more is beyond me. I sent
it priority just like we agreeed. I did everything that we agreed on. If
you wanted to pay 50.00 more to get a 12.00 mag you should have bought it
from them. You got a good deal on a brand new kit that I had to you two days
after you paid. I will be sure to post these emails in you negative threads
about me to show how shady you are acting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 1:13 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
Ok, I will print this email correspondence and post it everywhere. I
lost track of no. of transactions I did as a seller last year....0
negative feedback. As a buyer, I got ripped off when the seller never
shipped.
theinvisibleheart is offline  
Old March 26, 2007, 02:22 PM   #8
theinvisibleheart
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 19, 2005
Location: virtual internet world with a Daisy Red Ryder, LOL
Posts: 682
continued

Continuation:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turrican/Mike B.
Mike <mikeb... > Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 1:26 AM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
If you post my family's info you will be sorry. I have children that live
her andn you are endangering there safety. I have sent your threatening
letter to the mods and they have said you are in the wrong. I also showed
them your email showing where you said you were happy with the kit. Now you
decide you want more after the fact. Dont forget, I have all your ino too.
I have a higher feedback rating then you. Why not just go buy a mag if that
is what you really want. I think you have other reasons for this besides the
12.00 mag you are complaining about. I have sent your emails to two of my
friends and they agree you are trying to extort more from me. If you read
the add it says nothing about a mag. If I had a new mag I would give it to
you just to shut you up but I dont so there is nothing I can do. I think you
just changed your mind about the kit and now you are trying to weasel out of
the deal and blame it on me over one little mag. I thought you were a cool
guy from our emails but I guess you are not after all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 1:29 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
WHY DID YOU EMAIL ME STATING THAT WHAT YOU ARE SELLING IS EXACTLY WHAT
GUNTHINGS.COM IS SELLING WHEN IT ISN'T?
You have 2 choices:
1. I'll return you your kit and you return me the money, and we'll
call it quits.
2. I'll start posting.
--John


Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 1:33 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
it's you who misstated the kit and who told me that you never stated
that it contained the mag.
I'll print this email too, sir, on the net along with other things.
Good luck on your extortion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turrican/Mike B.
Mike <mikeb... > Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 1:36 AM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
I sold it to you exactly the way I got it. I didnt touch it so go ahead and
start posting. I didnt misstate anything. "Kit" doenst always mean "free
mag"
Go ahead and start posting. I could really care less.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 1:38 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
btw, you could have avoided all this by simply sending me the mag or
saying that you made a mistake, but you didn't. EMAIL is a terrible
thing when you lie because it's intractable evidence. I feel sorry
that you are a parent and can't even be honest.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turrican/Mike B.
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 1:41 AM
To: mikeb...
mike, you wrote in the below email that "the exact kit" in reference
to Gunthings.com kit which includes a new mag. I'll print this out
along with your other email to me. You can print my email and public
can judge WHO LIED.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turrican/Mike B.
Mike <mikeb... > Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 1:47 AM
To: The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com>
OK.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 2:17 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...f=123&t=423283
I also just emailed AKforum moderator. I'm going to contact bunch of
other people on various forums.
Public can decide what's right or wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 2:41 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...f=123&t=423283
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...67#post2296567
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...06#post3218306
btw, I'm willing to send hardcopy of entire email exchanges to anybody who asks.


Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 2:59 AM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
> I sold it to you exactly the way I got it. I didnt touch it so go ahead and
do you mind if I ask you when you bought the kit from Gunthings.com?
I want to call Gunthings.com and confirm that they used to sell the
kit w/o the mag, and when I asked you about the kit that includes that
kit, that it slipped your mind.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John/theinvisibleheart
The Invisible Heart <theinvisibleheart@gmail.com> Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 12:05 PM
To: Mike <mikeb... >
Mr. Turrican/Mike B.,
I've offered you apologies on 2 bulletin board(TFL and THR)...can't do
it in the AR15.com thread becuz it's locked but if you want me to post
an public apology to you, I would be happy to do it.
I apologize for this transaction. You are right and I was wrong. Best wishes!
--John
DFW,TX
theinvisibleheart is offline  
Old March 26, 2007, 11:14 PM   #9
turrican
Junior Member
 
Join Date: March 20, 2007
Posts: 2
So is your apology genuine or do you still think you have a point? I dont understand. It seems like I am dealing with more then one personality here.

Since you enjoy posting my personal info including name and address so much I will now start posting yours too every time I see you doing it to me. We will see how you like it done to you.


I have asked you to remove my private information and even after your "public apology" you have refused so I guess the feud goes on.

Last edited by turrican; March 27, 2007 at 12:37 AM.
turrican is offline  
Old March 27, 2007, 12:59 AM   #10
karlsgunbunker
Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2007
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 34
What a Cry Baby!
I saw his thread on THR.

Sportsmans Guide has mags for $72 a dozen.

Get over it.
__________________
KGB
01FFL $15 transfers in Indianapolis area.
"Doin what I can with what I got" (Burt Gummer)
karlsgunbunker is offline  
Old March 27, 2007, 05:27 AM   #11
UH1-D Rotorhead
Junior member
 
Join Date: March 15, 2006
Posts: 576
Welcome Turrican....

I had a similar situation on another board, XD Talk, to be exact...I had a 4-sale on another XD which a member offered to purchase...to make a long story short, I ultimately refused to sell to this individual after seeing some of his posts, which at best, were immature, ethnocentric, and downright racist in their intent....well, this hack goes about stalking me on XD Talk, and parses every word on any subject that I may have posted, all the while bitching about how I had welched on a deal...I got tired of his BS, and essentially verbally put the creep in his place, and got banned for it (apparently the Mods would not warn him of his stalking)...I took matters in my own hand, and paid the price, but that's OK...any forum that covers for and insulates a member who is racist is not a forum for me...in any event, welcome aboard.
UH1-D Rotorhead is offline  
Old March 27, 2007, 03:59 PM   #12
Hedley
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 9, 2006
Location: South Texas
Posts: 1,279
All of this over a $12 mag? And you threatened to post his private info and pics of family online? (Where is that email in the chain of communication above?) Dude, that's waaay over the line.

And Turrican's post in the Saiga forum is priceless.
Hedley is offline  
Old March 27, 2007, 04:13 PM   #13
Wildalaska
Junior member
 
Join Date: November 25, 2002
Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 14,174
Ive had nothing but good dealings with John (theinvisbileheart), thats all I'll add.

WildofftothenextoneAlaska
Wildalaska is offline  
Old March 27, 2007, 05:49 PM   #14
Mal H
Staff
 
Join Date: March 20, 1999
Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia
Posts: 14,482
There is no point in continuing this thread. Both sides have stated their case. The original poster has apologized for the apparent misunderstanding, and that should have been the end of it.
Mal H is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.13081 seconds with 9 queries