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Old January 13, 2007, 11:24 AM   #1
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winchester supreme

hello i am pretty new to reloading and i have some of the winchester cartridges that are silver i think they are brass thats just nickle plated but wasnt sure and i was wandering if you can reload them thanks for any replies
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Old January 13, 2007, 01:53 PM   #2
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If it is Winchester Supreme it is good brass to reload. It would be nickel plated as you suspected. I am not aware of any Winchester headstamped brass that is not reloadable.
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Old January 13, 2007, 02:13 PM   #3
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RCBS recommends against using nickel plated brass as it can scratch the inside of your dies. This would probably only apply to full length sizing though.
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Old January 13, 2007, 02:32 PM   #4
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Well, let's see here, I have been shooting averagely 2000 rounds a month of 357 Nickel brass since 1974. I have RCBS dies and they don't leave scratches on the brass I have. Must be something to do with the newer RCBS Chinese junk they sell now. Their quality has gone in the toilet lately.
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Old January 13, 2007, 02:50 PM   #5
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I wish you could buy Win nickel. Wonder why they don't sell it? I love nickel because it seems to never tarnish. Plus powder residue just wipes right off with nothing but a rag. Those must be some pretty junk dies if they say not to use nickel plated brass in them.
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Old January 13, 2007, 02:57 PM   #6
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I'll should clarify that RCBS recommends against the nickel using their steel rifle dies. I don't think I'd worry about using nickel with carbide pistol dies.
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Old January 13, 2007, 04:05 PM   #7
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RCBS recommends against using nickel plated brass as it can scratch the inside of your dies. This would probably only apply to full length sizing though.
So the old myth resurfaces!? BUNK! While nickel IS harder than plain brass, it is NOT hard enough to scratch anything made of steel! If RCBS recommends against using nickel plated brass, then I would take that to mean they are not using steel to make their dies from. It's NOT chrome plating. Chrome would scratch steel pretty easily.

The nickle plating is simply there for corrosion resistance, period! The supreme line of shells by various factories are made for hunting that MAY take place in inclement weather conditions, rain, snow, very cold temps. Plain brass shells would LOOK like they'd been through a war after being loaded and unloaded for days in the rain. The nickel shells would still look new, except maybe some tarnish on the bullets.

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I'll should clarify that RCBS recommends against the nickel using their steel rifle dies. I don't think I'd worry about using nickel with carbide pistol dies.
Oh so they DO use steel? I guess they just use hot rolled mild steel, so that statement is a CYA move?

I PREFERE nickel plated brass shells, I wish all the shells I load were available as nickel plated.
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Old January 13, 2007, 04:14 PM   #8
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Woops, I meant, I wish they sold .22-250Rem nickel plated brass. Don't know if they sell any other cartridge in nickel. I just don't get why they offer it in factory ammo and not to the reloader? Hmm.
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Old January 13, 2007, 04:46 PM   #9
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So the old myth resurfaces!? BUNK!
MYTH? I guess manufacturer's intructions are a myth.

I'll give it to you verbatim from my RCBS product instructions since you seem to know more than they do about dies Mr. metallurgist.

"IMPORTANT: We find that most scratching of the interior of a die is caused by nickel cases or grit on the brass surface. If you are using nickel pistol cases we recommend that you use a carbide sizer. This die is hard enough to resist the scratching that nickel cases cause."
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Old January 13, 2007, 05:04 PM   #10
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If RCBS knows that nickel cases are out there and that many people use these cases, why wouldn't they just go ahead and make their dies tough enough to withstand nickel? If I opened up a die box and the instructions said not to use nickel brass, I'd take them back and say not to use RCBS dies. LOL
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Old January 13, 2007, 05:43 PM   #11
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The following was posted on the AR forum about a year ago, by the handle of A$$ clown;

[quote]Nickel plating of cases is done for ONE reason and ONE reason only . . . CORROSION RESISTANCE! Leave a brass case in a rifle chamber for a couple days in a hot humid climate and you get a nasty little galvanic corrosion cell which may get you a STUCK cartridge/case.

Nickel plating is all of a few MICRONS thick. 2.54 MICRONS = 0.0001"!

Nickel is harder than WROUGHT IRON. OH yeah, wrought iron is some REALLY soft stuff (softer than many brass alloys).

Nickel plating can be heat treated to make it moderately hard, RC63 to 65, but you won't find that on a cartridge case (brass wouldn't like it).

The CHEAP nickel plating which is done to firearms munitions is NOT very hard, although it is possible it could be harder than a cheap SOFT barrel. This cheap nickel plating WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE HARDER THAN A PROPERLY HEAT TREATED STEEL SIZING DIE![quote]

So If RCBS says not to use nickel cases, because they will scratch their dies, I would definetly buy some other companies dies!
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