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Old December 26, 2006, 10:41 PM   #1
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S&W Model 19 vs. S&W Model 686

I have a very nice Model 19-2 .357 and do like the gun alot. It seems to be a very accurate shooting gun. Now, Im not married to this model 19, and have been thinking what would be my advantage to going to the model 686 in .357?
Is the 686 a "tougher" gun that would stand more abuse shooting .357 rounds?
And are the newer guns as good of quality as some of the older guns such as my model 19-2?
Has anyone shot either or both of the above mentioned guns? How would the 686 compare to the model 19 I have as far as being a "shooter" and its accuracy and such? Or are both guns basically only as good as the guy squeezing the trigger!
I know from the shooting I have done thus far, this 19 really shoots some nice groups. And If I swithed/traded off the 19 for a 686, I would want it to shoot as well.
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Old December 26, 2006, 11:16 PM   #2
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I have carried the Mdl.13 (another K-frame like the 19) on duty and I went through the academy with a Smith 681 (a fixed sight 686). I have also done some shooting with various 19's. Overall I loved the K-frames for carry and they are a thing of beauty when shooting .38's. The L-frame like the 686 is, however, a hands down winner if you plan to shoot any amount of 357 ammo. It's amazing how much quicker you come back on target and how much less punishing the L-frames are on your hand. All this for just a (if I recall correctly) five ounce increase in weight.

Accuracy should be equal with either gun (depending on the individual sample) but ease of shooting definitely goes to the 686.
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Old December 26, 2006, 11:23 PM   #3
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The 686, being an "L" frame vs. the 19 being a "K" frame, is a somewhat "beefier" gun made to better handle the punishment of long-term, sustained .357 shooting.

Both will be as accurate as you. You may find the 686 more accurate from the standpoint of it having extra weight in the barrel underlug, creating a higher % of overall weight further forward. Again, though, this would probably deal more with making it easier to hold steady vs. being mechanically more accurate.
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Old December 26, 2006, 11:34 PM   #4
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Both are fine weapons equel in accuracy or should be .

Most people I know practice with light loaded magnums or 38's so unless you plan on getting into hunting or bolwing pin shooting that requires practice with the heavy magnums the 19 should fill the bill .

I would get the 686 but not at the cost of trading the 19 as the 19 has been discontinued and will never be seen again , the 686 will be around a long time and if you want one you could always use a layaway plan to buy it if money is tight .
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Old December 27, 2006, 12:05 AM   #5
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I have alot of M19's and M66 K-frame magnums. I've had about five L-frames, and am down to two. I kept the PC 586-5 L-comp, and a 3" 686 CS-1. I would get rid of both L-frames before I traded a M19 away. With tens of thousands of rounds through K-frame magnums over 38 years, I've yet to shoot one loose. In ten years of L-frames, I've had four go out of time (3 686's and the PC L-comp) and one 686 get end shake. If the L-frames are so much stronger, I'll have to take y'alls word for it, cause you could not prove it by my experience. Oh, I forgot to mention the ignition failures of three 686's that I purchased and returned to the dealer. Only had ignition failures with one K-frame, a 65-6 3". The firing pin was too short from the factory. I attribute that K-frame failure to the fact that it was made after 2000, and I should have known better than to buy it. Good luck with your decision, if you decide to let go any M19's, please PM me. Regards 18DAI.
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Old December 27, 2006, 01:17 AM   #6
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I have a 19, shot a 686 with those "combat" grips. Not a fair comparison, but I will take a 19 with the broader-backed wood grips any day to a 686 with Pachmyrs. The width makes all the difference in controlling recoil.

As for feel, the 19 was better. Granted the 686 needed a serious cleaning while my 19 is clean.

With different grips and better maintainence, my answers could be switched.
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Old December 27, 2006, 05:10 PM   #7
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I have a 6" 686-5 and love it! It handles magnum loads with ease and target re-aquisition is as good as it gets. Mine has the hogue rubber grips and is very easy on the hands. I'm not sure about the older ones that came with pachmyr grips, but I think you really have to look hard to find those anyway.
IMO, keep the 19 if you can and get the 686 to shoot, you'll love it too.
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Old December 27, 2006, 05:20 PM   #8
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I had a 686... loved it even after 500rds.(sold it like a real dumb***)
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Old December 27, 2006, 07:14 PM   #9
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As previously stated, the M-19 is no longer made.

Let it go now, regret at your leisure.

If you can afford to do so, owning both is the way to go
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Old December 27, 2006, 07:54 PM   #10
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K or L frame? Tough question.

I have two K frames. I have a M16 in .32 mag. And a M17 in .22. And I can easily understand why people fall in love with their K frames – they are sweet.

I have a 686-5 for 357 magnums. It has a 6” barrel. I can only recommend the 686. Mine is very accurate and very easy shooting with 357 mags. I am sure that you can shoot 357 magnums out of a M19 but I prefer the heavier L frame for 357 magnums – much easier on your hands if you like to shoot more than a few.

If you want a revolver for target shooting at the range, it would IMHO be hard to find a better revolver than the 686.

But if you want a carry revolver, the 686 is BIG – especially with a 6” barrel.

Why not get the best of both worlds? Keep the M19 and go buy a 686?

If I was limited to one revolver, I would keep my 686 – best all round revolver around if you ask me. (Only thing I would stay away from is two piece barrels like on M520 – Don´t know if S&W use two piece barrels on 686 these days – if they do, buy an older one with a proper barrel)

Best of luck with your decision.
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Old December 27, 2006, 07:54 PM   #11
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I have a 19 and I love it. I got it new about 25 years ago and would never part with it. It was my first hand gun
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Old December 27, 2006, 08:54 PM   #12
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Get a 686 if you want, but keep the 19.

You've already got the best .357 revolver ever made.

I'd go shoot a 686 before I did anything. K-frames just seem to handle better for me than L-frames. As was mentioned, a 686 is big. I don't mind the recoil, so that's not an advantage to me. If you are already doing well with your 19, why switch? If you do manage to wear it out, it won't owe you anything by then. You'll certainly get your money's worth.

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And are the newer guns as good of quality as some of the older guns such as my model 19-2?
I'm not going to open that can of worms, but if I wanted a larger framed .357, I'd be looking for a model 27, not a 686.
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Old December 27, 2006, 09:13 PM   #13
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I have never shot a 686, but I do have a 586-4, along with a model 19-3. While I like them both, shooting 357 mags is more enjoyable for me out of the 586.. I also have two model 28's, and I still prefer the 586, when it comes down to shooting 357 mags. I guess it's that full-lug barrel...

As far as accuracy, any of them are more accurate than I can be!
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Old December 28, 2006, 10:20 AM   #14
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Several years ago, I wanted another .357 mag revolver, so I started doing my "homework". I read every published article that I could, and finally chose a model 686.

One of the gun publications did some comparison testing of various .357 mag revolvers, including the Colt Python, Dan Wesson and Ruger products. The overall winner was the S&W model 686 (586 is the blued version). I don't recall all of the facets that were compared, but the one that stuck out the most was "out-of-box" accuracy, which the model 686 scored the best of them all! It also scored many #2 spots in the other categories, with the cumulative score tipping the scale for the 686.
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Old December 28, 2006, 01:04 PM   #15
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I think I will be smart and keep the 19 and if I want a 686, just have to save up the $$$$. If I traded off the 19 I might regret it!
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Old December 28, 2006, 02:02 PM   #16
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Good call. Yes, you will probably regret it. After getting rid of many handguns over the years, I now have a new policy: don't do it, unless it's a complete lemon.
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Old December 28, 2006, 02:06 PM   #17
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I will always regret getting rid of the 4-screw M19 I bought in 1963.
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Old December 31, 2006, 10:21 AM   #18
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I'm not going to open that can of worms, but if I wanted a larger framed .357, I'd be looking for a model 27, not a 686.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976817473.htm

That's $450, btw.
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