stopping power COM: only shotguns (slug and/or buckshoot) drop wild boar instantly - Page 2

Pointer · September 30, 2006, 10:31 AM

How come when a duck is properly with #6 or #4 shot...
You never see them fly another 100 yds before they fall...
Unless it was a poor hit?

In my experience... at least 98% of well-hit animals have fallen within a few yards, if not on the very spot...

The other's were already excited by the hunting pressure or already alert to the hunters who shot them...

None of my properly hit animals have run off to hide...

...and the ones that I've seen run off, were usually poorly hit...

My advice? Use enough gun!

UniversalFrost · September 30, 2006, 05:52 PM

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"told that no rifle-hit to the body, no matter whether .308, .300WinMag or .223 ever dropped any game he shot or has seen being shot. They all ran away, some far, some not so far but no animal was stopped. Not even with heart- or lung hits"

416 rigby does wonders. So does 444 or 450, even 30/30 hp will do it. Will let you know about 45/70 when the gun finally gets here.

**Art Eatman** · October 1, 2006, 10:36 AM

Two words that shouldn't be used about hunting: "Always" and "Never".

, Art

Mannlicher · October 5, 2006, 03:39 PM

beware of 'experts' armed with anecdotal facts.

Personally, I think your friend's opinions on this are not in line with what I have experienced, and what has been reported in the various media. I use a Springfield Armory SOCOM, and with Federal Classic 150 grain SP, the hogs pretty much drop where they are shot.

navajo0472 · October 5, 2006, 03:57 PM

I have been hog hunting with a friend of mine at a hunting club in Florida and they have had numerous instant kills with handguns and rifles on some large hogs. While I was in Florida I went on a hunt with him and saw a guy shoot his hog with a .223 and the hog dropped and never moved while his brother's hog took two slugs from a 2o gauge before it dropped. My friend works as a guide for a hog hunting club in Okachobee.

bclark1 · October 5, 2006, 06:36 PM

for my bit here, although it's been well said already... i can't speak for boar but game in general i had a clean heart shot on a whitetail with a 30-06 almost a year ago, and she went down so fast i didn't see it, although i did see some other deer heading into the woods. i walked down to look for blood and was pretty confused until i spotted her, there were still some corn stalks on the edge that'd obscured it a little. if that's not the proverbial ton of bricks i don't know what is.

Fat White Boy · October 7, 2006, 01:01 AM

My friend and I use .270's for hogs. Sometimes they drop like stones, sometimes they run a bit...

As far as lions and tigers in Africa, last time I checked, tweren't no tigers in Africa...

texfar · October 8, 2006, 09:50 AM

Have hunted hogs in west texas and can only tell you what has happened to me. With my 99 .284 I hit a hog at about 200 yards through both lungs and it ran at lease 100 yards. My friend, ranch owner, hit one about 250 lbs through the top of the heart full loadand iand 165 gr and it ran at least 200 yards. He thought he missed it and didn't even go after it. I found it the next day and photoed the shot placement. One about 350 lbs I hit at about 250 yards in a field with 165 gr .300 rem ultra loaded down a bit through the lungs and it traveled at least 150 yards. Most of the hogs I shoot drop, but as stated above they are like tanks. What my placement is these days is to break the shoulder when rifle shooting at distance and not go for heart/lung placement. By the way, they are normally moving slowly accross the field at any where from 100 to 400 yards away at a walk.

**Rich Lucibella** · October 8, 2006, 11:17 AM

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What my placement is these days is to break the shoulder when rifle shooting at distance and not go for heart/lung placement.

Interesting. How does one "break" a hog's shoulder and what is the result?

http://pnu-museum.org/en/collections...tion_03h.aspx#
Rich

2rugers · October 8, 2006, 01:33 PM

Well Rich, you put a big enough bullet travelling at a high enough velocity low into the shield and the results are about the same as with Deer, Elk and Bear, they fall down, kick a little, and then slowly relax into death.

**Rich Lucibella** · October 8, 2006, 01:43 PM

Hmmm. Is that from a broken shoulder or from damage to the heart/lungs? And how does one aim for the "shoulder" while avoiding the heart and lungs?
Rich

2rugers · October 8, 2006, 02:13 PM

Q:1.The falling down or the dying part?
Q:2.As for Texfar's comment I do not know how he shoots for the shoulder and misses heart/lung. Extreme angle? Don't know.

**Rich Lucibella** · October 8, 2006, 02:18 PM

The falling down.
Is it from a "broken shoulder"?
Rich

2rugers · October 8, 2006, 02:43 PM

A broken shoulder does not always equal falling down or even certain death, but "a big enough bullet travelling at a high enough velocity" through BOTH, always does.

**Rich Lucibella** · October 8, 2006, 07:25 PM

The older I get, the further behind the times I find myself.

"Always"....that's pretty good. Gotta get me one of them there "always" calibers; or one of the ones that put hogs down by breaking their shoulders.
Rich

2rugers · October 8, 2006, 08:06 PM

Wellll...,they are not for just anybody. You really have to know how big a bullet and how fast you have to move it to do it everytime.

**Rich Lucibella** · October 8, 2006, 09:47 PM

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You really have to know how big a bullet and how fast you have to move it to do it everytime.

Yup. It always seems to be that way. Lots of people seem to have The Secret. But nobody ever lets me or anyone I personally know in on the special secret recipe for those "everytime" guaranteed rounds. In fact, I'm surprised DoD doesn't take an interest in the knowledge offered here; we have this problem of our own military being hit by two legged game that was "dead on the first shot". Go figure.
Rich

**Art Eatman** · October 8, 2006, 10:54 PM

Folks probably hadn't oughta play with their food...

Art

**Rich Lucibella** · October 8, 2006, 11:20 PM

oops!

2rugers · October 8, 2006, 11:44 PM

No secret Rich. use a big enough bullet and push it fast enough and it will break both shoulders and destroy what is necessary in between. DRT,honest, no-foolin.
As far as the DOD and their failure to provide our young men and women a big enough bullet and a cartridge that will push it fast enoughand the training on where to place said projectile, one can only assume their reasons.
I will add that a .223 at 3300 fps. using fmj. hitting com. on the jihadis will certainly not guarantee an instant dropor even certain death if a good medic is at hand.
But if they would like my advice on what will and where to put it, they need only ask.

**Rich Lucibella** · October 9, 2006, 12:10 AM

I think I got it now. Lots-O-Bullet and Lots-O-Velocity drops 'em like rocks every time. Thanks for the secret, 2rugers. I reserve the right to share it with my hunting pals.

Art-
You were so right. My education is now complete and I look forward to harvesting many hogs by breaking their shoulders. All it takes is "a big enough bullet and push it fast enough". They go "DRT,honest, no-foolin". Who'da thunkit?!!!

Rich

2rugers · October 9, 2006, 12:58 AM

I would'a thunk a man with your well travelled hunting experience would have experienced this on hogs at least once by now Rich.!? Even if by mistake. If not your education is far from complete.
You almost sound skeptical.

P.S.Oh, you almost got it. Again, the correct formula is a big enough bullet, fast enough, through both shoulders you forgot that VERY important last part in your opening line. Also, not Lotso- anything, big enough and fast enough are the terms I used.

NB4ZOT · October 9, 2006, 11:40 AM

I too watched a show on OLN where they were hunting grizzlies in Alaska. The backup gun was a slug gun. I think the dude was hunting the grizzlies with a long bow http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...milies/eek.gif

**Art Eatman** · October 9, 2006, 01:25 PM

2rugers, you reckon maybe that what you're meaning isn't necessarily the way it's coming out in print? Seems to me ya gotta consider angles of shots and the difference between shoulder joints and shoulder blades when you say "shoulders", as well as the way a hog's bodily parts and pieces are assembled.

Most of us here have been at this game for more than just a day or two, with experiences ranging from ground squirrels to elephants, from BB guns to Great Big Bullets.

Art

Eghad · October 9, 2006, 01:44 PM

Well the big secret is actually "the look", when you take aim you have to use "the look" to get the animal to position itself for the shot. Then if you use lotsa bullet with lots powder and "the look" that wee beastey is goin down.

September 30, 2006, 10:31 AM	#26
Pointer Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 2,559	How come when a duck is properly with #6 or #4 shot... You never see them fly another 100 yds before they fall... Unless it was a poor hit? In my experience... at least 98% of well-hit animals have fallen within a few yards, if not on the very spot... The other's were already excited by the hunting pressure or already alert to the hunters who shot them... None of my *properly hit* animals have run off to hide... ...and the ones that I've seen run off, were usually poorly hit... My advice? Use enough gun! __________________ . "Political correctness is tyranny with a happy face." Charlton Heston 30-06 FOREVER

October 1, 2006, 10:36 AM	#28
Art Eatman Staff Lead Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX, USA Posts: 20,929	Two words that shouldn't be used about hunting: "Always" and "Never". , Art __________________ You're from BATFE? Come right in! I use all your fine products!

October 5, 2006, 03:39 PM	#29
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida Posts: 2,933	beware of 'experts' armed with anecdotal facts. Personally, I think your friend's opinions on this are not in line with what I have experienced, and what has been reported in the various media. I use a Springfield Armory SOCOM, and with Federal Classic 150 grain SP, the hogs pretty much drop where they are shot. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

October 5, 2006, 03:57 PM	#30
navajo0472 Junior Member Join Date: October 5, 2006 Posts: 2	Sounds Like Hog Wash To Me I have been hog hunting with a friend of mine at a hunting club in Florida and they have had numerous instant kills with handguns and rifles on some large hogs. While I was in Florida I went on a hunt with him and saw a guy shoot his hog with a .223 and the hog dropped and never moved while his brother's hog took two slugs from a 2o gauge before it dropped. My friend works as a guide for a hog hunting club in Okachobee.

October 8, 2006, 01:33 PM	#35
2rugers Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2005 Location: texas Posts: 744	Well Rich, you put a big enough bullet travelling at a high enough velocity low into the shield and the results are about the same as with Deer, Elk and Bear, they fall down, kick a little, and then slowly relax into death. __________________ Pain Is The Quickest Teacher 2RUGERS AKA "HALFCOCKED"

October 5, 2006, 06:36 PM	#31
bclark1 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,531	for my bit here, although it's been well said already... i can't speak for boar but game in general i had a clean heart shot on a whitetail with a 30-06 almost a year ago, and she went down so fast i didn't see it, although i did see some other deer heading into the woods. i walked down to look for blood and was pretty confused until i spotted her, there were still some corn stalks on the edge that'd obscured it a little. if that's not the proverbial ton of bricks i don't know what is.

October 7, 2006, 01:01 AM	#32
Fat White Boy Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2005 Posts: 1,276	My friend and I use .270's for hogs. Sometimes they drop like stones, sometimes they run a bit... As far as lions and tigers in Africa, last time I checked, tweren't no tigers in Africa...

October 8, 2006, 09:50 AM	#33
texfar Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 404	Have hunted hogs in west texas and can only tell you what has happened to me. With my 99 .284 I hit a hog at about 200 yards through both lungs and it ran at lease 100 yards. My friend, ranch owner, hit one about 250 lbs through the top of the heart full loadand iand 165 gr and it ran at least 200 yards. He thought he missed it and didn't even go after it. I found it the next day and photoed the shot placement. One about 350 lbs I hit at about 250 yards in a field with 165 gr .300 rem ultra loaded down a bit through the lungs and it traveled at least 150 yards. Most of the hogs I shoot drop, but as stated above they are like tanks. What my placement is these days is to break the shoulder when rifle shooting at distance and not go for heart/lung placement. By the way, they are normally moving slowly accross the field at any where from 100 to 400 yards away at a walk.

October 8, 2006, 01:43 PM	#36
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,130	Hmmm. Is that from a broken shoulder or from damage to the heart/lungs? And how does one aim for the "shoulder" while avoiding the heart and lungs? Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

October 8, 2006, 02:13 PM	#37
2rugers Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2005 Location: texas Posts: 744	Q:1.The falling down or the dying part? Q:2.As for Texfar's comment I do not know how he shoots for the shoulder and misses heart/lung. Extreme angle? Don't know. __________________ Pain Is The Quickest Teacher 2RUGERS AKA "HALFCOCKED"

October 8, 2006, 02:18 PM	#38
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,130	The falling down. Is it from a "broken shoulder"? Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

October 8, 2006, 02:43 PM	#39
2rugers Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2005 Location: texas Posts: 744	A broken shoulder does not always equal falling down or even certain death, but "a big enough bullet travelling at a high enough velocity" through BOTH, always does. __________________ Pain Is The Quickest Teacher 2RUGERS AKA "HALFCOCKED"

October 8, 2006, 07:25 PM	#40
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,130	The older I get, the further behind the times I find myself. "Always"....that's pretty good. Gotta get me one of them there "always" calibers; or one of the ones that put hogs down by breaking their shoulders. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

October 8, 2006, 08:06 PM	#41
2rugers Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2005 Location: texas Posts: 744	Wellll...,they are not for just anybody. You really have to know how big a bullet and how fast you have to move it to do it everytime. __________________ Pain Is The Quickest Teacher 2RUGERS AKA "HALFCOCKED"

October 8, 2006, 10:54 PM	#43
Art Eatman Staff Lead Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX, USA Posts: 20,929	Folks probably hadn't oughta play with their food... Art __________________ You're from BATFE? Come right in! I use all your fine products!

October 8, 2006, 11:20 PM	#44
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,130	oops! __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

October 8, 2006, 11:44 PM	#45
2rugers Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2005 Location: texas Posts: 744	No secret Rich. use a big enough bullet and push it fast enough and it will break both shoulders and destroy what is necessary in between. DRT,honest, no-foolin. As far as the DOD and their failure to provide our young men and women a big enough bullet and a cartridge that will push it fast enoughand the training on where to place said projectile, one can only assume their reasons. I will add that a .223 at 3300 fps. using fmj. hitting com. on the jihadis will certainly not guarantee an instant dropor even certain death if a good medic is at hand. But if they would like my advice on what will and where to put it, they need only ask. __________________ Pain Is The Quickest Teacher 2RUGERS AKA "HALFCOCKED"

October 9, 2006, 12:10 AM	#46
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,130	I think I got it now. Lots-O-Bullet and Lots-O-Velocity drops 'em like rocks every time. Thanks for the secret, 2rugers. I reserve the right to share it with my hunting pals. Art- You were so right. My education is now complete and I look forward to harvesting many hogs by breaking their shoulders. All it takes is "a big enough bullet and push it fast enough". They go "DRT,honest, no-foolin". Who'da thunkit?!!! Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

October 9, 2006, 12:58 AM	#47
2rugers Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2005 Location: texas Posts: 744	I would'a thunk a man with your well travelled hunting experience would have experienced this on hogs at least once by now Rich.!? Even if by mistake. If not your education is far from complete. You almost sound skeptical. P.S.Oh, you almost got it. Again, the correct formula is a big enough bullet, fast enough, through both shoulders you forgot that VERY important last part in your opening line. Also, not Lotso- anything, big enough and fast enough are the terms I used. __________________ Pain Is The Quickest Teacher 2RUGERS AKA "HALFCOCKED" Last edited by 2rugers; October 9, 2006 at 01:33 AM. Reason: additional info.

October 9, 2006, 11:40 AM	#48
NB4ZOT Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 103	I too watched a show on OLN where they were hunting grizzlies in Alaska. The backup gun was a slug gun. I think the dude was hunting the grizzlies with a long bow http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...milies/eek.gif

October 9, 2006, 01:25 PM	#49
Art Eatman Staff Lead Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX, USA Posts: 20,929	2rugers, you reckon maybe that what you're meaning isn't necessarily the way it's coming out in print? Seems to me ya gotta consider angles of shots and the difference between shoulder joints and shoulder blades when you say "shoulders", as well as the way a hog's bodily parts and pieces are assembled. Most of us here have been at this game for more than just a day or two, with experiences ranging from ground squirrels to elephants, from BB guns to Great Big Bullets. Art __________________ You're from BATFE? Come right in! I use all your fine products!

October 9, 2006, 01:44 PM	#50
Eghad Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 6,226	Well the big secret is actually "the look", when you take aim you have to use "the look" to get the animal to position itself for the shot. Then if you use lotsa bullet with lots powder and "the look" that wee beastey is goin down. __________________ Have a nice day at the range NRA Life Member