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Old July 26, 2006, 08:02 PM   #26
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When we talk about PPK reliability with hollowpoint ammo, it is important to consider which PPK we are talking about - Interarms, S&W or manufactured in Europe. The PPK/S-1 is the latest model made by S&W and it has been 100% reliable with all sorts of hollowpoint ammo (Winchester SXT, Ranger, Corbon, Magtech, Federal), and all the posts I have read that specifically refer to the PPK/S-1 are consistently positive. This model also has the extended tang which is designed the protect the hand from the infamous "Walther bite" that plagued earlier models imported by Interarms.
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Old July 26, 2006, 09:17 PM   #27
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Tough decision! I had a Colt Government Pocketlite and now have a PPK/S. Both hold the same, PPK is heavier but prettier. Can I have both? If you made me pick - prob. the PPK , but if this tells you anything I'm on the hunt for my Colt back!!



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Old July 26, 2006, 09:18 PM   #28
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Old July 26, 2006, 09:18 PM   #29
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Old July 26, 2006, 10:00 PM   #30
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Personally, I like the Colt Mustang better. It's locked breach makes the recoil lighter and less snappy than the blowback operation of the PPK. Also, the last time I tried a PPK, the DA trigger was pretty nasty and heavy. My only legetimate complaint with the Mustang is that they are out of production and finding spare parts may become a bit of a problem in the future.
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Old July 26, 2006, 11:57 PM   #31
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I own a Colt Mustang Pocketlite. I've tried a PPK-S and prefer the Colt. Here's why:

1. Reliability. The most important criteria in any self-defense gun. I've seen a number of PPK-series guns function poorly.

2. Practical accuracy. The Mustang's trigger is much better than the PPK. All handguns are questionable stoppers. As you go to less powerful rounds like the .380ACP, shot placement becomes increasingly important.

3. Weight. The aluminum-frame Colt is significantly lighter than the steel-frame PPK.

Although not important to everyone, the Mustang series has a special advntage to me. My EDC gun is a 1911. The Mustang has the same manual of arms.

YMMV one hell of a lot.

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Old July 27, 2006, 12:21 PM   #32
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I opted for 9mm. over the 380. After a lot of research I decided on the Kahr PM9 and am very satisfied with it. If you are really serious about a ccw, you owe it to yourself to consider it. Mine was slightly used with night sights and I got it for $450. I jumped on it and haven't any regrets!
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Old July 27, 2006, 12:33 PM   #33
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why people want a .380 is beond me ,it is under powered

TO each their own, but for me it is all about what is comfortable. I can shoot the .380 out of my Mustang very comfortably, but not as much fun if I go up to 9mm in same size frame. And with the Mustang's size, I carry it all the time. Can't say I would do the same with a larger pistol.

You can believe the next part or not, up to you.

My father was in Vietnam and had a close friend whose team was ambushed while out on patrol. He got winged and played dead but rest of group was killed. VC left behind two men to strip the bodies while rest of their men went on ahead.

The surviving soldier had a tiny Bersa .380 that he carried in his pants. While the two VC had their backs turned he took it out with as little movement and sound as possible, and with two carefully placed shots to the head dispatched both VC.

Now, my father was not one to make up stories but you can take it with a grain of salt.

One other story. Colleague of my father (Robert Kraus of PA, now deceased) was involved with fast-draw shooting. Took number of classes with other students, all working on their technique and form. All but one student had 9mm P or higher - and that one student had a .380. He said that the rest of the guys would rib the .380 guy about having a 'mouse gun'. But every time he drew that pistol, the bullet went into the head of the silhouette target. They stopped laughing after a few days of that.

Try not to concentrate too much on caliber, but more on shot placement.
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Old July 27, 2006, 02:17 PM   #34
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I heard the same story about Nam over ten years ago but when I heard it the hide out weapon was a .22 mag derringer! I am not sure the Bersa was around then?

The PPK vs. Mustang works out for me between recoil of the .380 in a light gun. For me the Colt wins (no sore hand or tracks) with the locked breach and I have shot both. BUT I can't get over the single vs double action so would go with the PPK for ccw carry.
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Old July 27, 2006, 03:54 PM   #35
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A few years ago, I was at the range with my PPK. In the adjoining lane, my buddy was shooting his. I have no idea why, but he dropped his gun, and it hit the floor, muzzle down, and discharged. No one hurt, but could have been a disaster. He returned the gun to Walther for repair, but I sold mine the next day. Personally, I will never own another. Scared the crap out of me, and I lost ALL faith in them. I replaced mine with a Sig P230, and never looked back.
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Old July 28, 2006, 10:58 AM   #36
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Bersa has been around since late 50's, early 60's - but who knows. Maybe I heard wrong or such.

Yeah, the lack of DA on the Mustang is problematic. But I like it over the PPK. The SIG 230 is very nice as well - but larger than the Mustang.

I'm curious about the .380 Secamp. So bloody pricey though.
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Old July 28, 2006, 11:38 AM   #37
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I never met aPk that didn't bite the hand who fed it....Essex
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Old July 30, 2006, 06:55 PM   #38
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PPK/S Vs Mustang

I have a S&W/Walther PPK/S and I once picked up a Colt Mustang for an ex. Colt Mustang is a very nice pistol. All the good things in a Colt .45 shrunk into a .380. In my research, the PPK was made for CCW, "Ploizei Pistole Kriminal" or Pistol for Undercover Police was made for concealment. While in my believe, both pistols are excellent pistols, the PPK has the advantage of the DA instead of the SA. Unless you like to carry it as cocked and locked, the decision is yours. Somethings I might add is that on my S&W model, the Walther tracks are gone, thank goodness. I have tried reloads and stock, my PPK/S has not jammed once. Knock on wood. And for the ammo that I carry; you better believe that I'll try out a box or two of it before I place my life on it. Another note, I got lucky and picked up a Crimson Trace Laser grip for mine. Don't know why, Crimson Trace stop making it? But there are some out there.

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Old July 31, 2006, 12:52 AM   #39
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I have a Mustang and 2 Interarms PPK/S I carried Mustang but parts are getting hard to find and price going up faster than gas. I have never had a problem with my PPK/S all HP 's have feed fine I shoot S&B or Magtech for practice and Corbon 90grhp for carry. I have large hands and I have never been marked by any Walthers PP or PPK/S I have a friend who is XXXX fat and he also has no trouble with slide bite. You all just grip to high Pistol comes from old days when people shot 1 handed not 2 and used a lower grip.

PPK/S more accurate at 10 yds than Mustang but does have more recoil. The DA trigger can be lightned some and SA on Walthers.Is as good as mustang. as far as pull lbs.
Bersa is fine pistol but is not a PPK/S or a Mustang Both have better fit and finish and better metal. . I not knocking Bersa.Its a fine weapon but not in same class as other 2. As some of you know I run Bersatalk board I own and do at times carry a Bersa. Sorry folks My vote is PPK/S ,Mustang, Bersa Thunder,Bersa CC
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