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Old March 12, 2006, 07:57 PM   #1
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Pistol powder for 22 K Hornet??

Does anyone have any experience using pistol powders for reloading the 22 K Hornet or standard 22 Hornet? Because of a shoulder ingurey I can't shoot anything heavier. I am getting 3100fps with my K Hornet load using a 35gr
Vmax bullet. It works well on smaller varmints out to 300yd if the wind isn't to strong. It is rather weak for coyotes and I would like to go up to a 40 or 45gr bullet. To push the velocity I am wondering if using a pistol powder like Win 231 or AA #5 would work?
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Old March 12, 2006, 08:30 PM   #2
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Nope...can make a load with fast poweders like that, but pressure will peak out long before you get to full velocity.

Ideal loads would have peak pressure happen at the same time as 100% volume density...you run out of volume and pressure at the same time. With powders too fast, run out of pressure before you run out of case room...with too slow powders, run out of case room before running out of pressure.
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Old March 12, 2006, 08:35 PM   #3
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If I were you, I'd stick to powders recommended by the powder manufacturers. I've had good results with Hodgdon LilGun using the 35gr V-Max you mentioned and Sierra's 45 grain pill. This is in a standard Hornet. If I recall rightly, Hodgdon's manual gives 13 grains maximum, which is more than some standard cases will hold. You may be able to get a little more in your K version. That should put your 45 gr in the 3100 fps range.

300 yards may be stretching things for the little boogers anyway.
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Old March 12, 2006, 08:38 PM   #4
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Old March 12, 2006, 11:02 PM   #5
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Hmmm, I never thought of that however your explanation makes good sense. My current load for the 35gr Vmax is 13gr of Lil Gun in Winchester cases and the load is just slightly compressed. No pressure signs on the primers or cases. This puts out right at 3150fps from my rifle. It is a Ruger 77/22 Hornet which has been rechambered to the K version. I am not sure why I am only getting 3150. My shooting buddy has a K built on a Low Wall action, with a Shaw barrel. The same load from his rifle is putting them down range at 3420. Same barrel length however my rifle has a Ruger barrel. I don't know what the terminal velocity is at 300yd. However, if I do my part, it will drop ground hogs and P-dogs in their tracks. It works well out to 200 for coyotes as well.

Any other light shooting calibers which would have a bit more steam? What about the 221 Fireball? Lighter shooting than the 223?
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Old March 12, 2006, 11:04 PM   #6
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Hmmm, I never thought of that however your explanation makes good sense. My current load for the 35gr Vmax is 13gr of Lil Gun in Winchester cases and the load is just slightly compressed. No pressure signs on the primers or cases. This puts out right at 3150fps from my rifle. It is a Ruger 77/22 Hornet which has been rechambered to the K version. I am not sure why I am only getting 3150. My shooting buddy has a K built on a Low Wall action, with a Shaw barrel. The same load from his rifle is putting them down range at 3420. Same barrel length however my rifle has a Ruger barrel. I don't know what the terminal velocity is at 300yd. However, if I do my part, it will drop ground hogs and P-dogs in their tracks. It works well out to 200 for coyotes as well.

Any other light shooting calibers which would have a bit more steam? What about the 221 Fireball? Lighter shooting than the 223?
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Old March 13, 2006, 05:46 PM   #7
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Even a .223 doesn't recoil enough to bother even an injured arm (or a heart transplant patient)...lifting the rifle up to the bench is more stressful.

But if speed is your thing, then take a look at the .17's.
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Old March 13, 2006, 09:35 PM   #8
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I consider Lil'Gun a pistol powder although I guess it was developed for .410 shotguns. Lil'Gun seems to work well with 40 gr bullets and up, in the Hornet and the K. I never had any luck with the 35's and Lil'Gun as things such as velocity were erratic. I have heard others experience the same problem. I get 3150fps out of a 20" barrel with 14gr of Lil'Gun in my K.

I recently switched from Lil'Gun to N110 in my .357's and .44's. Lil'Gun was extremely accurate in them but just didnt give the velocity that I got from 296. N110 gives me Lil'Gun accuracy with 296 velocity. I intend to try it in my K and my Fireball.
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Old March 14, 2006, 06:50 AM   #9
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I've had decent luck with 2400 with the speer 1023 45 grain .22 hornet bullet at 2650 FPS. I used older load data, as the newer data cripples it further than necessary.
Internal case volume differs wildly by manufacturer, I couldn't use WIN brass as it had too little case capacity to hit 2650 FPS (I consider that to be the magic number with 45 grain bullets in the .22 hornet).
Never played with the K-hornet.
Had a ruger 77 that was horrible in the accuracy department. Got rid of it, then later they found a way to accurize it to acceptable levels.
The little hornet is a great caliber.
But it will never be as accurate as a good .223 (IMHO.).
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Old July 14, 2006, 10:06 PM   #10
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K Hornet powder

I can do all that I need to do with LilGun, W296, H110 and 35-40 gr Vmax bullets. Remember the Hornet case was developed as a low pressure round. LilGun's velocity to pressure ratio is the best. If you use pistol powders - be careful if you push the velocity. If you need over 3200FPS then try a .223 Rem or larger. Love my K Hornets and Hornet rifles. Accuracy runs from 1 1/2 down to 1/2" at 100 yards using care at the reloading & shooting bench. Great coyote round out to 200 plus yards. Perfect fox round.
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