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Old May 19, 2000, 11:35 PM   #1
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I'm looking into reloading some ammo that is the equivelent of Federal's Gold Medal match 168gr 308 for my 700PSS


Any recommendations on what powder, bullets and such to use??

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Old May 20, 2000, 12:20 AM   #2
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I would use H or IMR 4895, with Sierra Match King or Nosler Ballistic Tips and work up to match the muzzle velocity. I'd use Federal primers and Norma or Federal brass.

Caution: IMR and Hodgdon 4895 don't always substitute grain-for-grain! Don't change over in mid-test.




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Old May 20, 2000, 02:27 AM   #3
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Federal uses Sierra Matchking bullets. I use mostly 4895 for powder 'cause I got so much of it.
I have gotten excellent results with 168gr. Matchkings and 173 gr. DCM bullets in my .308.
I generally buy the Fed.Gold Medal stuff for plinking and to get fire - formed cases to reload with collet dies for the serious medicine. Also, seat bullet so it barely contacts rifling. You'll have to play with the powder charge by 1/10 ths. of a grain to find your rifle's favorite food.
I haven't had any success with the Nosler bullets (not quite 1 MOA) but it might be that my rifle just doesn't like 'em.
My baby is a Rem. 700 VSF in .308 that ain't quite "straight off the shelf".
Why reload if you're just going to duplicate factory ? You can tune the cartridge to match your rifle exactly.
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Old May 20, 2000, 02:30 AM   #4
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Why reload if you're just going to duplicate factory ? You can tune the cartridge to match your rifle exactly.[/quote]

Yup! He's right.
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Old May 20, 2000, 02:46 AM   #5
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Cuz the rifle really like the Fed 168gr load and I'm just starting out reloading and don't know beans from bacon about reloading. Trying to match the Fed load gives me somthing to shoot for as a novice reloader.


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Old May 20, 2000, 03:03 AM   #6
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What Animal means (if I may speak for you, Animal) is this: Reloading gives you the ability to choose your bullet. Then for whatever muzzle velocity you want, you can "work up" a load to achieve that. If it's not accurate enough, start with another powder and work back up again.

Some reloaders, after getting to a muzzle velocity they want to achieve, but not getting the accuracy desired, will just drop back 5 or 10% on the powder load and go to another bullet, then work up to desired velocity again.

The possibilities are exciting and fun.
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Old May 20, 2000, 03:16 AM   #7
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sensop got a question or two for you, your user name anything to do with a AC130 sensor operator?? Got a good friend who's a sensor operator on one.

Asuming I'm using Sierra Match King 168gr bullet, Federal brass, Winchester primers (lots on hand) and I get some Hodgdon 4895 what's a good starting point for the powder?? I don't have access to a crono so will be starting out slowly getting the feel for the rifle and what it likes.
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Old May 20, 2000, 08:07 AM   #8
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For liability reasons I do not like to publish my powder charge weights any longer but this is the basic load that I use in my Rem. 700VSSF. It will produce sub MOA groups all day long at 100, 200 and 300 yds.

Federal Gold Medal brass trimmed to 2.005
Sierra 168gr. HPBT #2200 bullet
Winchester 748 powder*
Weight each charge exactly
Federal 210M primer
COL 2.800

* Use a good loading manual (Sierra is one)and pick a charge w/the 748 that will give you 2600-2650 fps.

This load will shoot as well or better than the Federal 308M ammunition in a good rifle.

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Old May 20, 2000, 12:33 PM   #9
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I load for M1A's, so I have slightly different problem. I have to load for the semi-auto action and the possiblity of slam-fires.

I load the following:
Federal Gold Medal Brass
C-34 CCI primers
IBM-4895
Seirra 168 grn BTHP bullets.

This has been a good load for me. I can generally get about .9" 20 rnd groups at 100 yards with my SM and about 1" 20 rnd groups with the NM.

Remember the c-34 primer is a hot primer, downgrade your starting load at least an extra 10% to compensate.


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Old May 20, 2000, 05:37 PM   #10
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Like JMC, I don't like to post powder weights, but my most accurate load in .308 is very similar to the ones posted here, except I'm using Varget.
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Old May 20, 2000, 06:05 PM   #11
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I have a Remington Police DM in 308. (PSS)
Here is what I use:

Remington Brass (fire formed, turned necks, etc....)
Federal 210 Primer
Accurate Arms 2520 / 43.5 grains
Sierra 168g Match King (#2200)
Seating bullet to touch the rifling.

This load out of my rifle shoots under 1/2" groups at 100 yards and keeps most shots into a 2 1/2" - 3" circle at 600 yards.

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Old May 20, 2000, 06:46 PM   #12
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Joey,

Nosler No 3 Book starts at 39 grs of IMR4895, for 80% case density at 2350 fps and goes to 43 grs for 88% case density at 2660 fps. This was in a 24 inch Wiseman test barrel. Winchester cases and Federal primers.

Hornady, 3rd Ed, starts at 37 grs of IMR4895 for 2300 fps and goes to 40 grs for 2500 fps. Win model 70, Frontier cases (Hornady), Federal primers.

Hodgdon, 25th Ed, starts IMR4895 at 40 grs for 2500 fps and goes to 42 grs for 2640 fps. Their load range for H4895 with a 165 gr bullet is 38 grs for 2400 fps up to 40 grs for 2525 fps.

Don't overlook W748 and H335 as alternative powders. I haven't used the Acurate powders much, but they have a good reputation from a variety of respectable shooters/reloaders.

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Old May 21, 2000, 01:12 PM   #13
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Sensop: thanks, that was pretty much what I meant.
Joey :the loads above are in the same range as mine.
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Old May 21, 2000, 04:18 PM   #14
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Sensop,

Ifin I'm a rembering right Waffle left Minot and arived at Hurburt sometime in 95, I'm a thinking. Lost touch with him after he was there 6-8 months with all his TDY's, seems like he was always out playing & having fun someplace and not home.

Thanks for the links
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Old May 21, 2000, 04:31 PM   #15
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Yeah, well he's playin' and he's not home, but "fun"? probably not. 'Hope he's not married. They have a tendency to fall by the wayside in that line of business (meals on wheels - peacekeeping all over the place). I knew somw guys in the 1st SOW that were avging 8-9 months a year TDY. Year after year.
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Old May 23, 2000, 07:18 PM   #16
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Got to looking and is it possible to use a powder other than a ball powder in a Dillon 550B???

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Old May 23, 2000, 11:20 PM   #17
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Sure, some just flow better than others. I am using Blue Dot in one setup. Actually I am really beginning to favor the ball powders. ALso, there are some really short rod extruded powders. I think one of the 4895s is available as an "S", as in H4895S, for short rod.

That AA 2520 load of Target Shooter's looks interesting, but I really think you should give W748 a try. I knew a 700V in 7mm-'08 that shot fantastic with W748. Supposedly it was made for the .308.

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