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Old September 13, 2005, 02:31 PM   #26
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Alaska, what is the crime rate, population, and the race composition of Anchorage? I suspect it's much safer than Metro Denver or any other big city.
Not that crime statistics mean anything, but metro Los Anchorage Alaska has a far higher violent crime rate than Metro denver, as did my old res in NY.

I prefer to live my life less encumbered.

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Old September 13, 2005, 02:40 PM   #27
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day.

The only reason I don't carry it during the day is, I usually leave it for my girlfriend who travels more than I do. When I go back to the apartment later in the day, she'll be back home and then I'll resume carrying it. If I had the extra money, I'd have another one. I don't right now.
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Old September 13, 2005, 02:42 PM   #28
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It's not really that awkward or encumbering. It's about 5% limiting to normal activities but, much like sports gear for football for instance, I suspect I would forget it's even on in an emergency. It won't interfer at all with my running, diving for cover, etc.

Denver is a relatively "safe" city for the most part, but one never knows....
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Old September 13, 2005, 03:58 PM   #29
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I usually carry a bushmaster AR Shorty and a flak jacket,If im just going to the Mall,I got a Para P14 and a strider mk1 knife
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Old September 13, 2005, 04:32 PM   #30
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Can't carry in MA where I live (I have a 'restricted' license) so I have at ALL times my Smith & Wesson Swat full size folder clipped to my right hip pocket.
Oh, plus cell phone, keys and wallet.
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Old September 13, 2005, 04:34 PM   #31
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Alaska, what is the crime rate, population, and the race composition of Anchorage?
up here race has little to do with the likelihood of violent crime. we take pride in our equal opportunity criminals.
violent crime occurs in EVERY neighborhood of Anchorage, from the high-society oil-baron and doctor communities that live on hillside to the middle class man living in spenard/turnagain to the slums of mountainview.
in my middle class neighborhood we dont bother calling 911 to report 'shots fired' if there is less than four shots heard.

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Old September 13, 2005, 04:48 PM   #32
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And your a big target too!

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Old September 13, 2005, 04:58 PM   #33
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I carry my firearm in a number of diffrent ways varying on where I am and what Ill be doing that day. I carry either my SA XD 40 4" in the SOB IWB holdster, or in the 3:00 position in the OWB holdster. The XD is alternated with the USP40 full size. The USP is carried cocked and locked. If im going to be in a situation were I can't carry it on me, like going to the hospital, i carry it in my pack. Then secure it in a locker. I also have a Winchester folder I keep cliped to my right pants pocket. Along with the wallet and keys. Unless again, Im in the hospital wearing my scrubs. Not but one pocket on them, so wallet and keys locked in locker with the knife and gun.
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Old September 13, 2005, 06:25 PM   #34
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Old September 19, 2005, 01:03 AM   #35
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"......... bears when camping in the Rockies (but that's a different story altogether and not your normal carry)."



But that IS my normal carry.

Actually, it depends on where I am at the moment, but bears are possible about anywhere around here.

Keys, extra set of keys, Swiss army knife, small locking folder, ear plugs, wallet, checkbook, Leatherman, Surefire E2E in Carhartt leg pocket.

Daily dog walks not up on the mountain, Smith Model 24, single speedloader in belt case, or Ruger 45 Colt SA, 6 rounds in pocket, and Winchester 94 carbine, cartridge belt w/ 25 rounds carbine loads, 4 or 5 small game/snake loads in my pocket, Randall knife, dog rope.

Camping/hiking up on the mountain, 45-70 Browning lever gun, 45 Colt Ruger SA.
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Old September 19, 2005, 08:19 AM   #36
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1 of 3 depending on a bunch of different things.

Main carry: Colt Combat Commander .45acp + 1 spare mag
Option 1: Taurus Millenium Pro 9mm + 1 spare mag
Option 2: Taurus M85 .38spc + 1 speed loader
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Old September 19, 2005, 02:46 PM   #37
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leadcounsel, with all due respect - in a separate post, you were arguing that a spare mag was unnecessary, but you wear a vest? I'll grant that risk tolerance is subjective, but ... ?? I don't mean that necessarily as criticism. I'm more surprised you'd find a vest an acceptable precaution, I guess.

Anyway, when I'm out & about in KY (my job has me travelling somewhere in the state about once a week), aside form wallet/keys, I carry:

Springfield XD 40 or Kimber Ultra Carry .45
yes - a spare mag for either
light (either an M3 for the XD or a flashlight since the .45 has no rail)
multi-tool
cell phone

That's it. Even with all that, as I've said before, I feel like a skinny pale Batman sans cape with anything else hanging on my belt.
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Old September 19, 2005, 04:24 PM   #38
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At work, lately, self-defense-wise, I've been carrying a Kel-Tec P11 in a pocket and a spare mag in another.

In my other pockets, I carry a flashlight, two sets of keys as heavy as my gun, and a wallet thick enough to choke a hippopotamus. I carry a knife and scissors on my belt, and a cellphone on the other side of my belt.

I guess I have so much non-tactical stuff a spare mag has always seemed like a drop in the bucket.

On my own time, I still carry my airlite revolver with a speedloader in the same pocket. One set of house/car keys and my wallet. And I go barefoot whenever possible. I'm much more comfortable on the weekend.
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Old September 19, 2005, 04:38 PM   #39
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When I am carying everything I want/can, I normally carry:
glock 19 with 2 spare mags, cell phone, keys, mini mag light, all on my belt, and a wallet in my pocket. Occasionally, I will also carry a S&W 637 in my other pocket.

I recently have acquired a knife that I want to start carrying (if I can find the room)

However, depending where I am at/how forgetfull I am, I will only have my wallet and cell phone.
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Old September 19, 2005, 04:58 PM   #40
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Alpine,
The best offense is a good defense. I always carry my brain and feet... the rest vary depending on the situation and environment.

I'll reiterate and ellaborate my other posting:

I look at this whole thing like a football team. You wouldn't go into a game without a solid offensive and defensive strategy! why approach self defense differently?


OFFENSIVE:

Lethal self defense situations are unexpected and rare, but still occur and I refuse to be a victim. Hence, I carry a gun generally a .40 with 10 shots and a folder knife. Why only 10 shots? MOST shootings are 3-4 shots; carrying 2 or 3 mags with 20, 30, 40 rounds seems ridiculous for a civilian (unless you have a specific need) in my opinion. I have 3 times the number of bullets in my gun than the average shooting. I'm comfortable with that. Add to that the added weight, inconvenience of a spare mag and the "printing" of yet another CCW item... I'm just not interested in carrying something that will never be practical (same is true with a utility tool or OC, it would just gather dust). In order for me to legally USE that gun, I have to be faced with a situation leading me to believe my life (or the life of another) is in danger of imminent serious bodily harm or death, each and every time I shoot. I cannot see in any realisitc scenario where I need to decide more than 10 times that my life is in danger. Some have said it's for fast reloads in the event of a magazine failure or jam. I have also all but ruled that out and know that my gun won't jam and if it does than I can clear it faster than someone can load a separate magazine. If I thought my gun would jam under stress, I'd get a different gun, possibly a revolver.

I'm physically fit, strong, and trained in martial arts. Someone could certainly whip my @ss and this could very well turn lethal during or after the @ss whipping. However, I can defend myself to some degree physically, generally long enough to gain the ability to draw my gun. That being said, it's a bad idea to engage in a fistfight and it'll be avoided unless I'm jumped; the only scenario where I'll get tangled in a fist fight. In that case I can likely grappled until I can can control of the situation and/or break free. I'm carrying a gun and can quickly draw and accurately shoot to counter any @ss whipping which may turn lethal.

IMO the most likely (both in occurance and really life threatening) "life threatening" scenarios involve an opponent with a weapon; as I don't have any lethal enemies, this will LIKELY come in the form of an armed mugging or armed robbery or car jacking. The most popular weapons, based on statistics from my city police department for assaults, robbings, etc. is the gun and knife. So, I've decided that's important enough to defend against.

DEFENSIVE:
Most criminal types commited to common violent crimes tend to carry knives or small caliber handguns that are cheap, use cheap ammo, are easy to use and easily concealable. These include the .32, .380, 9mm, .38, and to a lesser extent the .40.

Most human vitals are located center mass and in the head. Most trained shooters shoot center mass because it's easy to hit and the head is harder to hit. Non trained shooters just aim and shoot. Either way, center mass is about 35% of a person's body and contains most of ones' vitals. While I can keep most non-armed attackers subdued for at least long enough to get my pistol, there's little I can do to avoid getting injured if I'm shot or dying if I'm hit center mass. I own lots of $500 guns. Instead of buying another gun I've "invested" $450 in a comfortable, flexible, light weight level II vest which will stop the above mentioned "common" calibers in the parts of my body that are easiest to him, would likely be aimed at, and if injured would result in quick and painful death. The vest is passive (like a seatbelt, helmet, etc.) and requires no training or care. I just put in on and that's it. I have no statistics on the increased survivability, but if I were in a gun fight, I'd sure rather have 1 vest and 1 gun than 2 guns and no vest.

My real vulnerability comes with pointy objects and i've not developed any real strategy for handling them, other than to avoid them. They will defeat my ballistic vest and a person trained with a knife is a very real threat. My hope is to have enough time to draw and shoot. Further, it takes a REAL cold blooded person, or generally a person psychologically BENT on HURTING YOU IN PARTICULAR to stick a knife in you, particularly without any warning. So, while someone could jump from the shadows and backstab me, it's highly unlikely. Knife attacks, IMO, will likely be telegraphed at least for a moment to give me time to draw. I know, I know, a person can engage with a knife at 20 feet in 2 seconds.... but I can also run away while I'm drawing, right? Distance is my friend! If someone runs at me with a knife, you better believe I'm doing my best to distance myself while drawing. I can cover probably 30 feet in 2 seconds so as long as they're 5' away when I aim, I'll win.

In summary, I can adequately defend against most unarmed physical assaults. I can do a very good job at defending against (by dodging, taking cover, moving away, etc.) and countering (drawing and shooting) most lethal attacks if given about 2 seconds notice (and, other than the non-existent hit men in my life, who want to just kill me?). I am vulnerable to surprised lethal attacks, but my vest will stop small caliber torso shots from any direction, which would be instant death dealers. My offensive capabilities to return or counter an attack are good. I can have 10 shots with greater than 90% one-shot stopping power, and I'm hard pressed to imagine a realisitc scenario where I would need any more than 10 shots because urban predator BG types that want to rob you tend to flee when they're being shot or shot at.

Finally, if there were real professional cold blooded types that had a contract to do me in, nothing I carry or wear is going to save me. It is what it is. Play the odds and LIVE. HE who lives longest, wins!
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Old September 19, 2005, 05:10 PM   #41
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daily carry

wallet,keys on kershaw knife carbiner, cell phone, lock blade knife, KT .32 or Glock 19, one spare mag for the 19, two spares for the .32. Plus I always wear a ball cap and sunglasses.
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Old September 19, 2005, 05:19 PM   #42
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I wear a vest because I carry a gun and have been robbed of guns and know that bad guys have them and use them.

Ancient warriors wore armor to protect against the weapon of their era;

To coin an older phrase and make it more modern....

"Those that live by the gun, die by the gun..."
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Old September 19, 2005, 05:44 PM   #43
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With some of the stuff you guys carry I'm suprised you don't wear a helmet when you drive your car because you have a much greater chance of needing that helmet than anything else you carry, including your gun.
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Old September 19, 2005, 06:36 PM   #44
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Part of safe concealed carry is being "concealed"...

Carrying a utility belt is hardly being concealed. And, the enemy of any CCW is having his "cover" blown. One could have some problems then.

As for driving, granted, driving is dangerous. However, with some 150 million cars on the road and all of the hours I've driven in my life, knock on wood I've not had any serious accidents. And, I purchased and drive a safer vehicle than the norm, wear my seatbelt, and have front, side, and curtain airbags. So, I think you're wrong that driving is necessarily more dangerous.

Regarding the helmet.... one might think that wearing a helmet would not only look ridiculously silly, but may make driving more UNsafe because of the reduction in vision and hearing senses thereby possibly causing an accident that could have otherwise been averted.
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Old September 19, 2005, 06:56 PM   #45
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Well the helmet would have to be modified of course. But my point is you're much more likely to die or recieve serious harm from a car accident than you are from a mugger.
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Old September 19, 2005, 07:19 PM   #46
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Hmm...leadcounsel, you must be a divorce lawyer. Naa. On second thought you'd have to wear a level IV with trauma plate and crotch protector.

Seriously, though I have done business with bulletproofme and they are very fast and helpful.


I've got to agree about the Kel Tec, but a .40 is maybe a little bit overboard for a civilian who maintains a 'duty to retreat'. I have said this before on this forum that I believe a .40 is too hard to control and punches holes through too many layers of wallboard for casual social situations. Especially when they don't have an unlimited litigation defense fund.

Interesting. I know a lawyer who wears a helmet to drive, but why he drives a sports car I have no idea.
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Old September 19, 2005, 08:27 PM   #47
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Let's see...

PASGT helmet with desert cover
WileyX SG-1 goggles or ESS ICE sunglasses
Interceptor body armor with SAPI plates
Two field dressings
Two cravats
Lensatic compass
224 rounds of 5.56mm M855 ball/M856 tracer carried in eight 30-round magazines loaded with 28 rounds apiece in two Blackhawk STRIKE M4 double-mag pouches
IR strobe for signaling friendly aircraft
Garmin GPS V
Three liter Camelbak Thermobak
Gerber multi-tool
Surefire G2Z
M4 with TA31RCO-M4 ACOG, GG&G MAD BUIS, VTAC Mk1 sling, and Blackhawk buttstock mag pouch carrying one 20-round magazine loaded with 18 rounds of 5.56mm M855 ball/M856 tracer
M9 carried in Blackhawk CQR thigh holster with 45 rounds of 9mm M882 in factory magazines

Oh wait, did you want to know what I carry when I'm not in Iraq?

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I rarely go anywhere but work and home, and concealed carry is banned on post.
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Old September 19, 2005, 10:59 PM   #48
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XD Service Model

Whats the best way to carry the XD Service Model concealed? Live in Texas and things get a bit hot down here. How comfortable are those under the shirt shoulder holsters or the ones that look like a body wrap? Does one have a problem with sweating real bad?
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Old September 20, 2005, 12:08 PM   #49
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Meek:
Colorado law requires no "duty to retreat." If threatened you have the RIGHT to stand your ground. However, my own prinicples recognize that if the lead starts flying - so to speak - I'd rather be snowboarding

In this day and age, there's little that I'm willing to die for and I'll leave if given the opportunity. However, that being said, I'll fight as vicious as a rabid and injured dog if pushed, and I'll take an attacker's life faster than an ex-wife can burn through your bank account.

Any bullet that will penetrate a BG will penetrate car doors, drywall, and common barriers. The .380 and the .40 will penetrate multiple layers of common barriers, so the risk exists with both. However, if I shoot I don't plan to miss... arogant, yes. realistic, no. My goal, yes. So, if I thought I would miss, I wouldn't shoot.
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