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Old July 3, 2005, 04:25 PM   #1
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EMF single actions

So are the EMF single action copies good?
I don't see any dealers stocking Cimmerons or Unberti SAA revolvers around my area.
Did see lots of nice EMF ones. Look nice to me but I don't have any Cimmeron or Unbertis to compare them to.
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Old July 3, 2005, 04:41 PM   #2
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They all come out of the Uberti factory anyhow, except for the Great Western II which is made by Pietta. The usual crapshoot for a mass produced gun, you might get a jewel, you might get a lemon, you will probably get one kind of ok.
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Old July 3, 2005, 05:09 PM   #3
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ok the one i liked WAS A GREAT WESTERN II. whats the skinny on these? Gotta know.
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Old July 3, 2005, 05:12 PM   #4
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I was up on Gun Broker earlier today, and some of the prices folks are asking for used cimmeron's, and Uberti's are ridiculous. $500, and $600 range. In contrast I just paid $400.00 for my new Stampede, and $300.00 for my slightly used Vaquero. And, I live in an area where guns are expensive...

Based on what Jim Watson, and others have posted, I don't think I will be buying any of them soon. On the other hand Charles Daly Classic 1873 looks good, and Taurus will soon have their Gaucho available.
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Old July 3, 2005, 06:00 PM   #5
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I own the EMF New Dakota in .45LC. I like it very much. I replaced the grip frame with one from Cimarron. The grips are original black colt grips. Cimarron, EMF (not the Great Western II), Stampede are all made by Uberti, now owned by Beretta. I paid $289 from my dealer two years ago.


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Old July 3, 2005, 06:17 PM   #6
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Stampede are all made by Uberti
Well, shut my mouth. If contracted the Beretta spec's must be high quality, because this Uberti, is about as well made as one could get...
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Old July 3, 2005, 09:55 PM   #7
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I believe that Beretta is not Uberti. They are only two divisions of Stoeger. They share nothing but, outward appearance. The thing to watch for in EMFs is to ascertain which manufacturer made the revolver. They had some revolvers made by Armi San Marcos=ASM. Those were poor quality. They had a first run of the Great Western IIs that had soft metal internal action parts. If you know what to look out for in the manufacturers and are willing to have a expert perform an action job, they are fair single actions. The better choice quality-wise is the Piettas from Charles Daly. They are from the same manufacturer, the same assembly line and made by the same people. There is a noticable difference in the quality control though. Taurus is beginning to produce their Gaucho line of single actions. The first reports are universally positive. Great deal for the money. Ubertis are fine clones of Colt Single Action Army models. Ubertis are usually available for $325.00 to $375.00.
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Old July 3, 2005, 10:51 PM   #8
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Just FYI

Sir William,
Beretta bought Uberti a few years ago... This is from Uberti's website...

http://www.uberti.com/about-uberti/index.tpl

http://www.beretta.com/
Click on the Groups link and you'll see everything they own...

One of the reasons EMF came out with the Great Western II from Pietta is that Uberti is no longer going to suppply them with SAA.

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Old July 4, 2005, 12:00 AM   #9
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Stoeger is the owner and importer. Beretta bought Uberti. Uberti stopped making regular production and the Beretta Stampede WAS to be the flagship CAS revolver. The Berettas were POJ and most were non-functioning or broke down. They lacked everything in quality control. Ubertis were quickly returned to production and the Stampedes were debugged. Ubertis are still in production and make replacement parts in their own plant. Beretta is again marketing their Stampede. They are produced in a different plant and to my knowledge have no interchangable parts with Ubertis. The grips may swap. IIRC, www.StoegerIndustries.com explains that.
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Old July 4, 2005, 08:38 AM   #10
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Sir William,
I understand your point. Still wonder if Uberti is actually making the Stampede. Don't understand why Beretta had to mess with things. Uberti makes several lines of firearms. They build whatever the importer wants. I think Cimarron and EMF had higher standards than some others. From what many have said, the Great Western II from Pietta is one fine firearm. I haven't had the chance to shoot one yet.

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Old July 4, 2005, 09:53 AM   #11
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Sir Will

Thanks again. I can't keep track of who is owned by who, or what is made by who, so I'm just going to rely on your knowledge of the cowboy gun market.

All I know is my Stampede has the Beretta Logo on it. So I assume they are taking responsibility for quality control. My Stampede has Beretta USA Corp. stamped on the top of the barrel, and A. Uberti Italy on the bottom...

While I didn't start this thread, many thanks to all for the help...
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Old July 4, 2005, 03:20 PM   #12
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Well, I don't know what Jim Watson and others have said but I have several SAA clones by Uberti and Armi San Marcos and I like mine just fine. Not as nice as the genuine Colt in fit and finish, but at 1/4 the cost I think they're a good value.
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Old July 4, 2005, 03:45 PM   #13
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I have had some negative experience with Beretta Stampedes. I wonder if Beretta is making the Stampedes and Uberti is assembling them? Browning Hi-Powers are made in Belgium and assembled in Portugal. ??? My ASM experiences have been spotty. I bought three from Traditions with consecutive serial numbers. One was a great revolver after an action job. The second had soft as butter internals and I believe ASM did not heat treat the internal action parts. It took some time and effort along with a large dose of cash to repair the problems it had. The third revolver was a POJ and returned for credit. That is not a good record for any company and a large part of why ASM went under. Ubertis I have owned really needed smoothing and stoning and polished action jobs to perform in CAS.
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Old August 9, 2005, 05:48 PM   #14
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Sir William you need to research your history.

Beretta is the oldest family owned firearms maker or and other family owned business in the world. Beretta owns beretta. Not stoeger. Stoeger is just an importer not a manufacturer. I own a beretta stampede and it is a fine hand gun. They still make them. Uberti is still making guns for other people also get you facts straight if you gonna tell em!!!
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