What bullet type for Military? - Page 2

USP45usp · June 14, 2005, 09:04 PM

I said other.

I don't know if they exists or how good they are against barriers but I was thinking some sort of explosive round that had a "depth charge" built in.... penatrate about 3 inches and then explode.

Sorry, I don't have that touchy feely feeling when killing those that wish to kill me.

Wayne

oneeyeross · June 14, 2005, 09:28 PM

I had a tendency, while on active duty, to prefer firearms that feed and fired. FMJ has a better history of doing that than some of the others.

Remember, it has to be GI-proof. GI's have to be able to operate in ANY geography, ANY weather, ANY time.

jrfoxx · June 14, 2005, 09:44 PM

I voted fmj also for the same reasons as stated by most. penetration if needed, and if not, 2 holes and a "comrad' or 2 will possibly carry him off, thus 2-3 are out of the fight. also feeding reliability. on my part this is mostly speculation and "here-say" in a sense, as i am in the navy, but i repair electronics for weapons systems on aircraft and am not in the SEALS, Seabees, MA's, or other "carry a gun" combat type job.

Crosshair · June 15, 2005, 01:19 AM

The "wound him and let his guy's carry him off" is a myth for the most part. In Iraq WE are the ones who end up with the wounded, slowing down OUR advance through an area, since we have to secure the enemy before we move on. (So they don't crawl off and get into trouble.) I also recall that the "wound them" philosophy didn't work so well in Mogadishu in 1993.

boogeyman · June 15, 2005, 07:14 AM

have mike at double tap produce all of the ammo. everyone in armed combat (with no worry of extreme penetration) should use a usp 40 with the 200gr XTP bullet. sure will stop a loose camel real quick.

Mark54g · June 15, 2005, 08:28 AM

Figure something like Pow'rball but with a nice copper tip instead of polymer. Could use steel in some cases too.

Hell, why not copper solid with a Pow'rball type tip? You get expansion, feed reliability, and strong enough to punch a door without fail.

waltn · June 15, 2005, 09:17 AM

I agree with 100% reliability being required. The Truncated Cone Bullet for .45 acp will feed thru virtually any pistol, MAC10, Thompson, etc. When hitting bone (pelvis, skull) there is a tremendous transfer of energy. I have some 9mm with silicon in the JHP but covered with Copper (Federal?) that feed as well and have expansion in soft material (flesh).

stevelyn · June 15, 2005, 05:43 PM

Crosshair,

I agree with getting rid of the steel core. I never could see the purpose of it anyway. Keep the 62 gr in a cannelured lead-core bullet.
Carrying different types of ammo for different applications would create a logistical nightmare.

View Poll Results: Which bullet type is best for the military?
Full metal Jacket	23	45.10%
Jacketed Soft Point	11	21.57%
Jacketed Hollow Point	12	23.53%
Other	5	9.80%
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June 14, 2005, 09:28 PM	#27
oneeyeross Member Join Date: March 19, 2005 Location: Wet Washington Posts: 88	Fmj I had a tendency, while on active duty, to prefer firearms that feed and fired. FMJ has a better history of doing that than some of the others. Remember, it has to be GI-proof. GI's have to be able to operate in ANY geography, ANY weather, ANY time.

June 14, 2005, 09:44 PM	#28
jrfoxx Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2004 Location: Evanston,WY Posts: 898	I voted fmj also for the same reasons as stated by most. penetration if needed, and if not, 2 holes and a "comrad' or 2 will possibly carry him off, thus 2-3 are out of the fight. also feeding reliability. on my part this is mostly speculation and "here-say" in a sense, as i am in the navy, but i repair electronics for weapons systems on aircraft and am not in the SEALS, Seabees, MA's, or other "carry a gun" combat type job. __________________ Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA? A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list.

June 15, 2005, 08:28 AM	#31
Mark54g Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,265	Why not "other" Figure something like Pow'rball but with a nice copper tip instead of polymer. Could use steel in some cases too. Hell, why not copper solid with a Pow'rball type tip? You get expansion, feed reliability, and strong enough to punch a door without fail.

June 15, 2005, 09:17 AM	#32
waltn Member Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 40	Truncated Cone I agree with 100% reliability being required. The Truncated Cone Bullet for .45 acp will feed thru virtually any pistol, MAC10, Thompson, etc. When hitting bone (pelvis, skull) there is a tremendous transfer of energy. I have some 9mm with silicon in the JHP but covered with Copper (Federal?) that feed as well and have expansion in soft material (flesh).

June 14, 2005, 09:04 PM	#26
USP45usp Junior member Join Date: May 18, 2000 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 3,432	I said other. I don't know if they exists or how good they are against barriers but I was thinking some sort of explosive round that had a "depth charge" built in.... penatrate about 3 inches and then explode. Sorry, I don't have that touchy feely feeling when killing those that wish to kill me. Wayne

June 15, 2005, 01:19 AM	#29
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,319	The "wound him and let his guy's carry him off" is a myth for the most part. In Iraq WE are the ones who end up with the wounded, slowing down OUR advance through an area, since we have to secure the enemy before we move on. (So they don't crawl off and get into trouble.) I also recall that the "wound them" philosophy didn't work so well in Mogadishu in 1993.

June 15, 2005, 07:14 AM	#30
boogeyman Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2005 Location: west palm beach Posts: 172	have mike at double tap produce all of the ammo. everyone in armed combat (with no worry of extreme penetration) should use a usp 40 with the 200gr XTP bullet. sure will stop a loose camel real quick.

June 15, 2005, 05:43 PM	#33
stevelyn Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Location: Fairbanksan in exile to Aleutian Hell Posts: 2,560	Crosshair, I agree with getting rid of the steel core. I never could see the purpose of it anyway. Keep the 62 gr in a cannelured lead-core bullet. Carrying different types of ammo for different applications would create a logistical nightmare. __________________ Herman Cain '12 Squished bugs on a windshield is proof the slow/heavy bullet theory works.