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Old May 19, 2005, 02:53 PM   #1
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Rifle dies

What do you use and why? Is it worth paying the $50+ when I can get $20 dies. I am using it for hunting primarily (30-06 springfield). Other than that the occasional long range target shoot (long range = 100+yds, to me anyway......)


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Old May 19, 2005, 05:07 PM   #2
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I use dies made by RCBS, Lee and Redding. I like the Reddings the best. I bought my dies used, mostly. That's why the variety of brands. If I was buying them all new, and money was no object, they'd all be Redding.

But I have yet to find anything wrong with a $20 used die set, if it looks good at inspection.
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Old May 19, 2005, 05:37 PM   #3
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redding. They are a dream come true. cost about 89$ area i think. You can get them cheaper on ebay. Get junky dies for the guns you want to fool with and get good ones for the guns you want to produce nice stuff for.
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Old May 19, 2005, 06:06 PM   #4
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I use just about all the different makes of dies, and mix and match even.

Overall I think Redding are the best dies available under $100, Hornady New Dimension dies are probably second best and then RCBS, Lyman, and Lee are pretty close thirds.

If you have a little money by all means buy the best dies you can, if you are strapped and need a set of dies to be able to afford shooting your gun a set of Lee's will get you going.
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Old May 19, 2005, 06:31 PM   #5
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Redding! No question.
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Old May 19, 2005, 07:05 PM   #6
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I will chime in for Redding too. Go over to ebay and you can pick up a set of redding dies for cheap.

If you can't and you have to buy new they are still a good deal.

I recently purchased a set of something other than redding and had my first experience with a problematic die. That won't happen again!
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Old May 19, 2005, 07:37 PM   #7
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C'mon guys! You all give the answer but no one showed his work so to speak!

WHY is Redding better? What led you to that conclusion.
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I've got two sets of Redding dies that I've never used yet (32 S&W Long & 300 WM) given to me by a friend. I know they're better, I just don't know why. Closer tolerances? More bullseyes? Eh eh?
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I use a mixture of dies from Dillon, RCBS, Lyman, Pacific, and Lee (crimp). I never had a problem with RCBS dies and the bulk of my dies wear green boxes.
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Old May 19, 2005, 09:05 PM   #8
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The Redding micrometer seating die I just bought to use in a new Dillon 550B to reload .223 match ammo has significantly less runout that the RCBS micrometer competition dies I previously used.
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Old May 20, 2005, 07:18 AM   #9
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I have a mix of dies but in general I prefer Redding.

25-06
Lee Collet Neck Die - Great design but I have more problems with this die than all the others put together. The collet sticks and crushes cases with no indication of a problem until you see the neck pushed into the body. I have to clean and polish it 3 or 4 times per loading session (40 rounds). I'm tired of tossing die-damaged brass in the garbage. I will replace it with a Redding Neck Die (standard, not bushing) and get the carbide sizing button.
Forster Ultraseater - Super alignment of bullet to case and I have not seen any indications of runout on any 25-06 loads.
Redding Body Die - Super design, bumps back the shoulder without touching the neck. Wish I had gone this route on all my dies.

7mm Rem Mag
Hornady New Dimension Die Set - OK dies, the FL sizer is a little too aggressive (makes cases slightly smaller than spec) and I don't like the pressure locking mechanism on the smooth center shaft that holds the decapping pin. I will eventually replace these dies with a Redding body die and a Forster Ultaseat die.
Hornady Seat Die - I put the micrometer option on the seat die, yes, it gives you finer adjustment but you have to tape it in place once it's set because it moves when processing ammo. I don't like that at all. Compared to the Forster Ultraseat Die.....it sucks.
Redding Neck Die - Super precise die, (standard, not bushing) with the carbide sizing button. Most folks don't understand how important it is to lube the inside of the case neck to minimize runout. When using a die that pulls a bead up through the neck for proper sizing this needs to be as frictionless a step as possible. The carbide button is self-lubricating and goes a long way to help the situation.
Lee Factory Crimp Die - Another super design by LEE and it's just plain hard to screw this up. Adjustment for the degree of crimp is simple and it is absolutely repeatable.

300 Win Mag
Redding Deluxe Die Set
Full Length Size Die - Excellent sizing to SAMMI specs and is easy to clean. Only use it on new brass with Imperial Sizing Wax for my 300 to ensure no problems for fire-forming.
Standard Neck Die - Equipped with carbide sizing button, same comments as 7mm Rem Mag above.
Vickerman Seat Die - A very precise die. This die has an open port to witness the seat process, is a finely toleranced mehcanical assembly, and produces loads with no detectable runout. I have purchased the interchangeable insert for 25-06.
Lee Factory Crimp Die - Same comments as above.

45-70
Hornady New Dimension - Again, these are OK dies. I kept these in favor of a set of new RCBS dies I had because I outfitted the seat die with the micrometer option. It moves with this caliber too, just like with the 7mm RM. I will most likely try a set of the Lyman Cowboy Dies for this cartridge. I like the M-Die approach to flairing the case neck, the Hornady solution works but the ability to fine adjust is somewhat lacking. I have no experience with Lymand dies but my understanding is the Lyman Cowboy dies are of good quality and worth the look see.
Redding Taper Crimp Die - Super design, much superior to the LEE Factory Crimp Die in a straight neck case. Like the name suggests, the taper crimp engages a large portion of the case/bullet as compared to the crimp mechanism on the LEE FCD. Easy to adjust and aids in straightening any misalignment of the bullet to the case during the seat step.

All dies are used on my Redding Ultamag press. Powder charged with a Redding powder dispenser. My powder trickler is Redding and I have a Redding scale. If you can't tell, I'm a Redding fan. You can't go wrong with Redding equipment.
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Old May 20, 2005, 08:08 AM   #10
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Redding no doubt makes excellent dies and I have several of them. I like the RCBS competition seating die with the micrometer too. What I like about that die is the little opening on the side so you can just drop the bullet in. That really is a nice feature. I recently bought a used set of Lyman dies for .45 Colt. I was impressed with their quality. I really do not care for Lee dies very much and have never tried Hornady. The New Dimension dies have a lot of followers and I will have to give a set a try one of these days.
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Old May 20, 2005, 09:17 AM   #11
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Been reloading since Sept. 18, 1949. Have accumulated a rash of different dies. Bair, Herters, Lyman, RBCS, Hornady, Lee, etc. Have found Lee dies to load as good as any and the price is right. IMHO
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Old May 20, 2005, 05:30 PM   #12
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Superhornet - where in Florida, I'm in the Melbourne/Pal Bay area. I use the range in Sebastian.
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Old May 20, 2005, 05:34 PM   #13
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WHY is Redding better? What led you to that conclusion.
I have stupid practical reasons.

1. You can really adjust them with just your fingers. No hex wrenches or screwdrivers needed. Nice.

2. They include the shellholder in the box with the dies! Nice. May also cover the price difference between Redding dies and other brands, if you don't have a shellholder for the caliber in question. There is also a little post to hold the shellholder, so it doesn't rattle around the box like it does when I try to keep my shellholders with my dies in an RCBS box. Nice.

3. They include a spare decapping pin, in its nice little holder, in the box. So you don't have to hunt around for a decapping pin if you break one. Nice!
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Old May 21, 2005, 11:11 AM   #14
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I started reloading in 1965. I started out using Lyman dies. I still have some Lyman dies and still use them.

Several "old hands" told me that RCBS was the only way to go. I bought a set of RCBS dies the next time I needed dies. They were, and are, excellent dies, but IMHO they were equal , not superior to Lyman. Over the years, I have used Lee, Hornady, C-H, Bair, Texan and Redding. In my experience all of them are basicaly equal except Lee and Redding. I have found Lee to be very low quality with poor quality control. Redding doies are, IMHO, an order of magnitude better than the others.
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