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Old September 15, 1999, 10:06 AM   #1
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I have finally scraped up enough for a squirtgun and found one for sale. Now, I am looking for a transferrable guns (found an MP40, but would prefer other types) If anyone knows of a seller with a PPSh or Suomi or a Sten or a Thompson or a Beretta 38 or anything else other than Reising or Ingram, please let me know.

Also, what kind of harrassment from the ATF or local enforces can I expect once I own one of those eeeeeevvvviiiilll things?



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Old September 15, 1999, 11:36 AM   #2
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Oleg,

I've owned a selective fire Uzi for 13 years with no harassment at all from anyone.

Let's see.

1) They are legal in your state? Minnesota, I believe.
2) Find a Class III dealer in your state. Pay for the gun and have it shipped to him.
3) The Class III dealer will guide you through the rest of the process. Basically, send in a set of fingerprints, a completed Form 4 with a Chief Law Enforcement Officer signature (chief of police, sheriff, district attorney and apparently in some states this officer is designated by local statute.)
4) Send all this to BATF with $200.

Think this is it but it has been a long time for me.


Word of advice. Buy a weapon that still has plenty of relatively inexpensive high capacity magazines available. Otherwise the weapon is a very expensive single shot when your single mag is exhausted. What are the availability of MP40 magazines? Don't get me wrong-there might be piles of them cheap as dirt lying around. Just check.
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Old September 15, 1999, 12:57 PM   #3
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My current find is a mismatched (mostly '44) MP40 with six (?) magazines, loader, some spare parts for $3800 (ouch!). I have fired it several times and know that it works well. However, I am wondering about a PPSh (which is the one I want even more) or cheaper Sten or ? items. $3800 sounds like a lot, even though it would be worth the expense to me.
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Old September 15, 1999, 06:51 PM   #4
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CR, Stens are not inexpensive while their mags are. I am not sure on the price of any of your choices. I did have the web address of Kent Lomont at one time, he is a big class three dealer. If I can find it I will post it. In the mean time, you can contact a friend of mine that is a CIII dealer here in Michigan. michaelg@wwnet.net is his e-mail. Tell him what you want and he can give you some idea what it will cost.

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Old September 15, 1999, 08:40 PM   #5
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If the seller and buyer are residents of the same state, there is no need for a Class III dealer as far as BATF is concerned. (State law may require a dealer, though.) This saves $200, as going through a dealer is two transfers ($400) while direct purchase is one transfer ($200).

If both parties are in the same state, get BATF Form 4 and their fingerprint cards. Follow instructions on the Form 4. The buyer must get signature from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) in buyer's area. This only says CLEO has no information that the transferee (buyer) will use the gun unlawfully and that there are no local laws prohibiting the purchase.

Send duplicate Form 4 to address on the form with a check for $200.

Wait is anywhere from 15 days to 60 days.

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Old September 16, 1999, 07:32 PM   #6
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I would like to know how to get a Class III firearms licence.
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Old September 18, 1999, 07:45 AM   #7
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I would suggest going to www.subguns.com

You can get a list of recommended Class 3 dealers on the home page. The MG discussion board is a great place to ask questions about class 3 weapons.

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Old September 18, 1999, 09:30 PM   #8
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Hi, Glock64,

Assuming you are talking about a Class 3 dealer's license, write to BATF for the application forms. AFAIK, the requirements are the same as for any other dealer FFL. You must be engaging in a real business (not just buying for your personal use), you must pass a criminal records check, you must be in compliance with all state and local laws, and you must have a secure business premises.

BATF really doesn't care what you deal in as long as you have the license, are really in business, and comply with the laws and regulations.

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Old September 21, 1999, 08:34 AM   #9
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Cornered Rat: Have you thought about getting a Curio and Relic License? There are a number of "squirtguns" on the C&R list. A lot easier than going thru 2 CIII dealers, you only need one (I think) as you are licensed by the Feds to own such things. You still would need your CLEO's signature and all that.

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Old September 21, 1999, 02:10 PM   #10
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Jim V,

I would be very careful getting into using a collector's license for Class 3 firearms. It is a legal can of worms. Best to write BATF if planning to use a collector's (C&R) license for Class 3.

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Old September 21, 1999, 04:29 PM   #11
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I have two friends that have C&R licenses, both have bought C3 arms on their licenses. They ordered thru C3 dealers on a Form 5, only one $200 transfer fee, and got their arms, Reisings and an AR18. All of which are on the C&R list.

You can't get Dealer Samples or non C&R guns on the license.

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Old September 21, 1999, 05:48 PM   #12
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After thinking about this further, I have decided to apply the effort to learning rifle craft a bit better instead. I am not willing to go through that much trouble for sentimental value and I am not sure that an SMG would be that much better than an AR against possibly armored opponents.
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