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Old September 22, 2002, 06:35 PM   #1
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Who makes the lightest, shortest AR style rifle?

Looking for a new rifle only...

Also Which brand is better... armalite or bushmaster?
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Old September 22, 2002, 07:25 PM   #2
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Lightest would probably be a Bushmaster carbine with a pencil barrel. They call it a super light weight barrel, or something like that. Would be a special order.

Shortest, barring an SBR, would be any make carbine with a Rock River Entry stock. The question then would be is the stock too short to use with comfort.

Quality of either company you mentioned is good.

If you want to go pre-ban, shortest would be a Bushy or Colt 14 1/2" M-4 upper with a collapsible stock on the lower.

Lightest would be a Factory original Colt SP-1 carbine.

I am ignoring the polymer offerings because I don't know anything about them.
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Old September 22, 2002, 07:32 PM   #3
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Lightest would be a Factory original Colt SP-1 carbine.

Those things can get insanely light, not a whole lot there.



Numbers are high enough so that it's possible to find them for around 1k dollars still, but that is likely to be a used rifle.



If you are looking for a truely new manufacture rifle, probably something like AR10 recommended with a Bushmaster pencil thin barrel(SP1 copy basically) and a fixed position telescoping stock is likely to be pretty darned light.
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Old September 22, 2002, 08:43 PM   #4
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You wnated light? Well you got it.



At 3.9 lbs it's the lightest AR style rifle I could find.

It's called the CARBON-15 TYPE-97. you can get one for (cheapest) 900.00 (most expensive) 1300.00...

I have heald one of these with my pinky finger

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Old September 22, 2002, 09:03 PM   #5
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Profesional Ordinance Carbon 15s are said to use some propriatary parts though, it's not just quite as simple as using all interchanagle widely accepted parts if you should have something go down on you. That could be a potential source of grief, I left them out of my recomendation for part of that reason.



But nearly forgot, for real light, I suppose it's possible to do a combination parts gun.

Lower assembly comprising of a Cavalry Arms( http://www.cavalryarms.com/dealers.htm ) polymer receiver/stock assmebly combined with a Bushmaster upper assembly using the pencil weight barrel.
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Old September 24, 2002, 08:56 AM   #6
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Don't you guys with the short barrelled AR's walk away from the range with a headache?

The 16" models give me a headache from the concussion even if I am wearing muffs. Hate to think about shooting the real short ones like Bushmasters, and those AR 'pistols'.

If I ever break down and buy an AR, it'll definitly be a 20" version.
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Old September 24, 2002, 12:48 PM   #7
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Edward,
The headache you're experiencing is from the post-ban muzzle brakes common on most 16" variants. To eliminate this, I suggest a barrel without a brake or a pre-ban model with a true flash suppressor. Same goes for the 20" models...as long as you avoid a muzzle brake that diverts blast bake toward the shooter or to your companions, then you're fine.

I once had a post-ban Olympic with their brake installed, and it was pure torture to shoot, mostly for the folks shooting beside me. I had it removed and never experienced any more probs.
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Old September 24, 2002, 01:00 PM   #8
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I had a DPMS 20" and put a JP muzzle brake on it. It was about 50% louder than before. As far as a AR goes, the only time I will put another on is if it's a bech or varment only. I took the thing small game hunting before and just abount went deff. I dont want to have to wear ears when hunting in the woods because I cant here any thing.
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Old September 24, 2002, 01:14 PM   #9
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Old September 24, 2002, 01:27 PM   #10
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