Wallet Holster

jmessick · February 10, 2010, 07:38 PM

Hello, I am interested in finding a galco wallet holster for an American Derringer DA 38 that I own. From the research that I have done, this type of holster in which the gun can be fired from without removing the gun from the holster is banned from the ATF to be carried or used with the firearm.

Is this true?

Is there any way possible to make this combination legal; so the holster and gun can be used together.

All the info on this I can get would be great.

Thanks, jmessick

PointOneSeven · February 10, 2010, 07:45 PM

I didn't realize you couldn't do that anymore

. But in my google search, I came across some pretty cool wallet holsters that stay behind in your pocket

. I might have to buy another beretta bobcat or something

.

Bill DeShivs · February 10, 2010, 08:00 PM

You can, with registration and a tax stamp from ATF. The classification would be "Any Other Weapon."
Not sure if the fee would be $5 or $200.

jmessick · February 10, 2010, 08:03 PM

Bill, how would one find out more on going that route of making it legal?

Thanks, jmessick

Bill DeShivs · February 12, 2010, 09:42 PM

Call BATFE, or better still-write them.
An NFA dealer in your state should also be able to help you.

Webleymkv · February 12, 2010, 10:04 PM

A wallet holster made by Galco or any other reputable holster maker will not be classified as an AOW by the ATF because the gun cannot be safely fired without removing it from the holster. In the case of Galco, theirs is a pocket holster designed to give the appearance of a wallet while in your pocket so as to aid in concealment. The only true wallet holsters I've ever seen were custom made by an individual.

Chaz88 · February 12, 2010, 10:22 PM

I saw some custom made holsters at a gun show a few weeks ago. They retained a sub compact wile firing. The guy and his wife where pushing them hard explaining that the design of the holster made it a more stable shooting platform for the small gun. Wonder if he knows what he is selling a NFA item. Never even crossed my mind that it might be a problem. If I had something small enough to fit I might have got one.

Superhouse 15 · February 12, 2010, 10:34 PM

Ok, it doesn't have to make sense, but....

To assemble one on your gun you must submit a Form 1 to The Man. However you choose to do it, trust, corporation, or as an individual, and pay the $200 to "manufacture" the AOW. A disguised weapon. If you buy one already manufactured and on a Form 4, simply submit your trust, corp paperwork, or prints and photos, and $5.

Insanity, but this is from the "shoelace is a machinegun" people.

Chaz88 · February 12, 2010, 10:42 PM

I stood there and talked to them and looked over all of the custom made concealed carry stuff for at least 15 minutes and never heard anything about form 4 AOW or NFA mentioned to anyone.

I think the laws are to numerous and complicated for the average person to keep track of without running everything by the internet lawyers. And as we all know ignorance is never acceptable, in the eyes of the law.

smince · February 13, 2010, 11:15 AM

If the slide of the gun is visible, then it it is OK, like this one:

The one's that are NFA conceal the entire gun and allow it to be fired. Galco used to make one for the High Standard DA Derringer and the Beretta 950 and 21 that allowed this operation. They are different from pocket holsters:

Here is a discussion link:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49909

jmessick · February 15, 2010, 09:14 AM

Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it. jmessick

WESHOOT2 · February 23, 2010, 11:05 AM

...if you can shoot it you need a $200 stamp.

February 10, 2010, 07:38 PM	#1
jmessick Junior Member Join Date: February 10, 2010 Location: Kanas City, MO Posts: 5	Wallet Holster Hello, I am interested in finding a galco wallet holster for an American Derringer DA 38 that I own. From the research that I have done, this type of holster in which the gun can be fired from without removing the gun from the holster is banned from the ATF to be carried or used with the firearm. Is this true? Is there any way possible to make this combination legal; so the holster and gun can be used together. All the info on this I can get would be great. Thanks, jmessick

February 10, 2010, 08:00 PM	#3
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 11,108	You can, with registration and a tax stamp from ATF. The classification would be "Any Other Weapon." Not sure if the fee would be $5 or $200. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

February 12, 2010, 09:42 PM	#5
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 11,108	Call BATFE, or better still-write them. An NFA dealer in your state should also be able to help you. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

February 23, 2010, 11:05 AM	#12
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	I don't have the BATF notice handy, but... ...if you can shoot it you need a $200 stamp.

February 10, 2010, 07:45 PM	#2
PointOneSeven Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2006 Posts: 579	I didn't realize you couldn't do that anymore . But in my google search, I came across some pretty cool wallet holsters that stay behind in your pocket . I might have to buy another beretta bobcat or something .

February 10, 2010, 08:03 PM	#4
jmessick Junior Member Join Date: February 10, 2010 Location: Kanas City, MO Posts: 5	Bill, how would one find out more on going that route of making it legal? Thanks, jmessick

February 12, 2010, 10:04 PM	#6
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,610	A wallet holster made by Galco or any other reputable holster maker will not be classified as an AOW by the ATF because the gun cannot be safely fired without removing it from the holster. In the case of Galco, theirs is a pocket holster designed to give the appearance of a wallet while in your pocket so as to aid in concealment. The only true wallet holsters I've ever seen were custom made by an individual.

February 12, 2010, 10:22 PM	#7
Chaz88 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2010 Posts: 1,243	I saw some custom made holsters at a gun show a few weeks ago. They retained a sub compact wile firing. The guy and his wife where pushing them hard explaining that the design of the holster made it a more stable shooting platform for the small gun. Wonder if he knows what he is selling a NFA item. Never even crossed my mind that it might be a problem. If I had something small enough to fit I might have got one.

February 12, 2010, 10:34 PM	#8
Superhouse 15 Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2007 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 844	Ok, it doesn't have to make sense, but.... To assemble one on your gun you must submit a Form 1 to The Man. However you choose to do it, trust, corporation, or as an individual, and pay the $200 to "manufacture" the AOW. A disguised weapon. If you buy one already manufactured and on a Form 4, simply submit your trust, corp paperwork, or prints and photos, and $5. Insanity, but this is from the "shoelace is a machinegun" people.

February 12, 2010, 10:42 PM	#9
Chaz88 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2010 Posts: 1,243	I stood there and talked to them and looked over all of the custom made concealed carry stuff for at least 15 minutes and never heard anything about form 4 AOW or NFA mentioned to anyone. I think the laws are to numerous and complicated for the average person to keep track of without running everything by the internet lawyers. And as we all know ignorance is never acceptable, in the eyes of the law.

February 13, 2010, 11:15 AM	#10
smince Junior member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Location: Northeast Alabama Posts: 2,580	If the slide of the gun is visible, then it it is OK, like this one: The one's that are NFA conceal the entire gun and allow it to be fired. Galco used to make one for the High Standard DA Derringer and the Beretta 950 and 21 that allowed this operation. They are different from pocket holsters: Here is a discussion link: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49909

February 15, 2010, 09:14 AM	#11
jmessick Junior Member Join Date: February 10, 2010 Location: Kanas City, MO Posts: 5	Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it. jmessick