Cooked the 1911 too long?

LinuxHack3r · November 15, 2010, 12:21 AM

Ok, so I've read several different posts about the method of detail stripping your 1911 (parkerized), coating it with vaseline, and then slowly "cooking" in in the oven. Well, I tried it today, and it smelled very bad. It came out with an orangish film on top of the parkerizing. I did it for 4 hours at 350F. I am now trying to scrape the film off with my fingernails...Perhaps the Vaseline had some sort of additive that burnt?

LinuxHack3r · November 15, 2010, 12:25 AM

But frankly I just realized it is too useless to try and rub/scrape all of it off. This got me to thinking, as the film seems to come off with a finger (where reachable), what do you think the harm would be in boiling the frame and slide? I know that parkerizing will soak up water, but if I got the gun hot in water, and the let it boil for a while, then removed it and immediately soaked it down in oil, I don't see the harm in it. However, I also didn't see the harm in coating a gun in Vaseline and cooking it.:barf:

michael t · November 15, 2010, 12:28 AM

I have never heard of this Why are we cooking 1911's

LinuxHack3r · November 15, 2010, 12:31 AM

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...-vs-tales.html

scottl · November 15, 2010, 12:38 AM

4hrs @ 350 was probably too hot and too long.

Bill DeShivs · November 15, 2010, 12:47 AM

Soak the gun in mineral spirits or with WD 40. Scrub with a toothbrush, and spray it off with brake parts cleaner. Oil immediately.
Keep the Vaseline off the guns, and keep the guns out of the oven.

Venom1956 · November 15, 2010, 01:02 AM

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Keep the Vaseline off the guns, and keep the guns out of the oven.

Thats my quote of the week.

Casimer · November 15, 2010, 01:24 AM

I'm guessing that it was cooked too hot, too fast, which burned the surface of the petroleum jelly rendering it to a film.

Had the film set-up like this while it was hot, or is this the result of it cooling down? Because I'm wondering if warming it up again will liquefy the film.

ethan95 · November 15, 2010, 02:08 AM

+1

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Keep the Vaseline off the guns, and keep the guns out of the oven

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Thats my quote of the week.

any-who im gonna agree with the wd-40/brake cleaner/oil method

Cool_Hand · November 15, 2010, 02:11 AM

really now?

Bill DeShivs · November 15, 2010, 02:32 AM

Mineral spirits/WD40 will break the cooked Vaseline down. Scrubbing helps. The brake parts cleaner will remove all traces-even in hard to scrub spots.

Amin Parker · November 15, 2010, 03:39 AM

Anyone try cooking a Glock?

Eagle0711 · November 15, 2010, 04:03 AM

Looks like the springs were out, but can't tell for sure. If they were in, they will have to be replaced.

hardworker · November 15, 2010, 08:33 AM

Is 2 hours at 700 more just as effective at 4 hours at 350?

Makes you think.

grumpa72 · November 15, 2010, 09:03 AM

I am guessing that you did this because the author of the blog is a metallurgist and has extensive training as a chemical engineer? Obviously, tongue in cheek, but the point is that his blog wasn't based on science or fact, apparently. Why did all those GIs just clean and oil their .45s over the decades and that was sufficient?

Back to your original post, I would try soaking in a bath of brake cleaner. If that doesn't work, I might step up to soaking in lacquer thinner for a bit. Oh, and leave the vaseline for your wife/girl friends makeup removal.

Hoss Fly · November 15, 2010, 09:03 AM

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It came out with an orangish film on top of the parkerizing.

Gravy?

LinuxHack3r · November 15, 2010, 09:04 AM

Springs were out. It is a Springfield, but the serial number starts with NM so I believe it's a US gun

Yeah my first thought when I saw it was "Well I've really did it this time. Went and turned a perfectly functioning gun into this". Will try the method using WD-40. Probably spray it down and then let it soak for a while in a plastic ziploc bag for a while then scrubbing it down

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Hoss Fly · November 15, 2010, 09:13 AM

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Dont cook the Driod

We'll never find out how it comes out

VHinch · November 15, 2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LinuxHack3r

it is a Springfield, but the serial number starts with NM so I believe it's a US gun

All Springfield frames are from Imbel in Brazil. The NM serial prefix denotes guns that had final assembly and finishing done in the States, but they all start in the same place.

Leejack · November 15, 2010, 11:38 AM

Slow cooking in a crock pot is much more effective!

LinuxHack3r · November 15, 2010, 11:50 AM

Oh! I did not know that...but I just picked up some brake cleaner, and will be first trying WD-40 and then brake cleaner. I hope all goes well....it's just one of those things I'll be able to look back and go "what the hell was I thinking!".

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brickeyee · November 15, 2010, 12:00 PM

While Vaseline (petroleum jelly) is a petroleum product, it is NOT grease.

FoxtrotRomeo · November 15, 2010, 12:07 PM

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Slow cooking in a crock pot is much more effective!

Some one is going to take you seriously and we'll have a post about that too.

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"what the hell was I thinking!"

IDK what were you thinking?

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Keep the Vaseline off the guns, and keep the guns out of the oven.

Sad... *facepalm*

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I am guessing that you did this because the author of the blog is a metallurgist and has extensive training as a chemical engineer?

Everyone is a metallurgist and chemical engineer on the interwebs.

LinuxHack3r · November 15, 2010, 12:13 PM

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While Vaseline (petroleum jelly) is a petroleum product, it is NOT grease.

Oh I gotcha! So I need to redo the experiment using actual grease

I've got it soaking now in the brake cleaner, after a quick spray and scrub, it appears this is going to work moderately well. Thanks everyone. Perhaps I'll post an after cleanup pic

Leejack · November 15, 2010, 12:14 PM

In defense of the OP, I have read this shake and bake thing several times in the 1911 forums. There are even detailed instructions on how to do it.

I'm sure he was trying to make an improvement based on the gurus that proclaim that this baking is a good thing. I don't dispute it beacause I don't know from personal experience.

Me, I wouldn't do it. I think the Springer parked finish is cool just the way it is. A little holster wear adds character to a 1911 anyways.

November 15, 2010, 12:21 AM	#1
LinuxHack3r Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 282	Cooked the 1911 too long? Ok, so I've read several different posts about the method of detail stripping your 1911 (parkerized), coating it with vaseline, and then slowly "cooking" in in the oven. Well, I tried it today, and it smelled very bad. It came out with an orangish film on top of the parkerizing. I did it for 4 hours at 350F. I am now trying to scrape the film off with my fingernails...Perhaps the Vaseline had some sort of additive that burnt?

November 15, 2010, 12:47 AM	#6
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 11,109	Soak the gun in mineral spirits or with WD 40. Scrub with a toothbrush, and spray it off with brake parts cleaner. Oil immediately. Keep the Vaseline off the guns, and keep the guns out of the oven. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

November 15, 2010, 02:32 AM	#11
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 11,109	Mineral spirits/WD40 will break the cooked Vaseline down. Scrubbing helps. The brake parts cleaner will remove all traces-even in hard to scrub spots. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

November 15, 2010, 09:04 AM	#17
LinuxHack3r Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 282	Springs were out. It is a Springfield, but the serial number starts with NM so I believe it's a US gun Yeah my first thought when I saw it was "Well I've really did it this time. Went and turned a perfectly functioning gun into this". Will try the method using WD-40. Probably spray it down and then let it soak for a while in a plastic ziploc bag for a while then scrubbing it down Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk Last edited by Shane Tuttle; November 27, 2010 at 10:59 AM.

November 15, 2010, 12:25 AM	#2
LinuxHack3r Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 282	But frankly I just realized it is too useless to try and rub/scrape all of it off. This got me to thinking, as the film seems to come off with a finger (where reachable), what do you think the harm would be in boiling the frame and slide? I know that parkerizing will soak up water, but if I got the gun hot in water, and the let it boil for a while, then removed it and immediately soaked it down in oil, I don't see the harm in it. However, I also didn't see the harm in coating a gun in Vaseline and cooking it.:barf:

November 15, 2010, 12:28 AM	#3
michael t Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Location: Out back Ky Posts: 4,044	I have never heard of this Why are we cooking 1911's

November 15, 2010, 12:31 AM	#4
LinuxHack3r Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 282	http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2...-vs-tales.html

November 15, 2010, 12:38 AM	#5
scottl Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2007 Location: Morehead,Ky Posts: 752	4hrs @ 350 was probably too hot and too long.

November 15, 2010, 01:24 AM	#8
Casimer Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2007 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,918	I'm guessing that it was cooked too hot, too fast, which burned the surface of the petroleum jelly rendering it to a film. Had the film set-up like this while it was hot, or is this the result of it cooling down? Because I'm wondering if warming it up again will liquefy the film.

November 15, 2010, 02:11 AM	#10
Cool_Hand Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2010 Posts: 373	really now?

November 15, 2010, 03:39 AM	#12
Amin Parker Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2010 Posts: 1,118	Anyone try cooking a Glock?

November 15, 2010, 04:03 AM	#13
Eagle0711 Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2010 Posts: 782	Looks like the springs were out, but can't tell for sure. If they were in, they will have to be replaced.

November 15, 2010, 08:33 AM	#14
hardworker Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2010 Posts: 820	Is 2 hours at 700 more just as effective at 4 hours at 350? Makes you think.

November 15, 2010, 09:03 AM	#15
grumpa72 Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 2009 Posts: 487	I am guessing that you did this because the author of the blog is a metallurgist and has extensive training as a chemical engineer? Obviously, tongue in cheek, but the point is that his blog wasn't based on science or fact, apparently. Why did all those GIs just clean and oil their .45s over the decades and that was sufficient? Back to your original post, I would try soaking in a bath of brake cleaner. If that doesn't work, I might step up to soaking in lacquer thinner for a bit. Oh, and leave the vaseline for your wife/girl friends makeup removal.

November 15, 2010, 11:38 AM	#20
Leejack Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: The Alamo! Posts: 2,056	Slow cooking in a crock pot is much more effective!

November 15, 2010, 11:50 AM	#21
LinuxHack3r Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 282	Oh! I did not know that...but I just picked up some brake cleaner, and will be first trying WD-40 and then brake cleaner. I hope all goes well....it's just one of those things I'll be able to look back and go "what the hell was I thinking!". Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk

November 15, 2010, 12:00 PM	#22
brickeyee Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2004 Posts: 3,351	While Vaseline (petroleum jelly) is a petroleum product, it is NOT grease.

November 15, 2010, 12:14 PM	#25
Leejack Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: The Alamo! Posts: 2,056	In defense of the OP, I have read this shake and bake thing several times in the 1911 forums. There are even detailed instructions on how to do it. I'm sure he was trying to make an improvement based on the gurus that proclaim that this baking is a good thing. I don't dispute it beacause I don't know from personal experience. Me, I wouldn't do it. I think the Springer parked finish is cool just the way it is. A little holster wear adds character to a 1911 anyways.