Molon Labe (poster)

Oleg Volk · April 27, 2002, 02:29 PM

Hi-res

Phrasing suggestions appreciated: I am trying to explain that the antis who expect to disarm America are abusing a poor grade of opium. Any better way to contrast 300 to 80 million?

Update: I re-edited the text based on feedback and went with conservative estimate of the Persian numbers. I am not going to worry about the 5 thousant or so Greek allies as they don't figure in the legends

Correia · April 27, 2002, 02:57 PM

That is AWESOME.

Ceol Mhor · April 27, 2002, 02:59 PM

Hey, I've got that hat!

Reminds me of Humpty Dumpty. "All the king's horses and all the king's men..."

Love it, Oleg!

MadScientist · April 27, 2002, 03:11 PM

maybe something like:

"Xerxes' (insert size of army here) failed to disarm 300 Spartans at Thermoplyae.
Whose army is big enough to disarm America's 80,000,000 lawful gun owners?"

But unfortunatly, I don't think that the majority of the 80M would resist harder than the 300 spartans.

Ceol Mhor · April 27, 2002, 03:15 PM

On a side note - can you imagine Spartans equiped with rifles?

Oleg Volk · April 27, 2002, 03:19 PM

You'd be surprised. Americans are fond of private property. Even if some won't fight actively, I expect that they would not cooperate in turning in their guns...or any other property. Mine, I tell you, they are mine!

On the plus side, thanks to better technology and great ingenuity of our kind, one of us at the right place and at the right time could mean a dozen funerals for them...if there be enough left of them to bother with. Near as I can tell, the other side has gone through less than 20% of the severity possible in gun control efforts, and already they are beginning to compress that nice, resilient steel spring to the point where it would push the drum magazine follower reliably...and I wouldn't want to be them when the backlash happens.

KSFreeman · April 27, 2002, 03:28 PM

Hmmm, well, yeah, he did disarm them it just took a while.

Molon latte!

Calamity Jane · April 27, 2002, 03:32 PM

Oleg, that poster kicks major butt!

Oleg Volk · April 27, 2002, 03:36 PM

Re-phrasing suggested by a friend: "Lawful American gun owners". Y/N?

Also, how many Persian troops were involved?

Kaylee · April 27, 2002, 03:46 PM

1 -- I think "lawful Americans" rolls off the tongue better.

2 -- though if it comes to that, I doubt we'd be all that lawful. "principled" perhaps, "ethical" certainly. "lawful" depends on the good will of the ones making the laws. But that's a nit that really doesn't need to get picked on your image. just rambing this afternoon, pardon.

3 -- just curious -- is it just me, or did you punch up the size of the poodleshooter bore a tad? What, all of a sudden .223 ain't intimidating enough?

4 -- LOVE the composition.. it'd be nice to see some color -- Runt's hat (cool as it is) fades into the background a bit. Of course, color looks like it'd be easy to overdo on this one.

5 -- Perhaps a screened-in version of the Battle of thermople in th background, lower right corner. (as in, Runt's looking out away from the battlefield behind her)

**Mal H** · April 27, 2002, 04:21 PM

"Also, how many Persian troops were involved?"

Xerxes had an army of around 150,000 and a navy of over 600 ships. The Spartan/Athenian army was over 10,000. Don't forget that Xerxes did eventually "go and get them", but at a far greater loss than the Spartan's loss of the 300 who were left behind in a suicide plan to give the Athenians time to regroup. The Spartans had the big advantage of defending a mountain pass, but the Persians sneaked up behind them and that was the end of the battle.

Fred Hansen · April 27, 2002, 04:21 PM

Oleg Volk · April 27, 2002, 04:26 PM

Mal H - thank you.
Kaylee - you noticed! I did bring it up to about .30

Ceol Mhor · April 27, 2002, 04:27 PM

*pulls out a copy of Gates of Fire from the local library*

Acording to Herodotus, Xerxes' army numbered 2 million men. And th Spartans killed ~20,000 of them before being destroyed.

KSFreeman · April 27, 2002, 04:30 PM

Mr. Wolf, the ancients say 1 million (including Greeks that went over to the Persians, the "Medized Greeks") with over 80K horse which is fanciful to say the least. 250K to 400K is the more reasonable guess, IMHO.

Assuming arguendo the lower numbers the Persian Empire still outnumbered the allied city-states six or seven to one. Platea doomed the Persian invasion as Mardonius sprang his assault too quickly by not allowing the rest of his army to cross the Asophus and charged the Greek right (the Spartans) assuming that his cav would crush mere infantry. Oops, he ran right into Rooster!

The Spartans routed the Persian left. The Greeks in Persian service (concentrated on the Persian right) lost heart upon hearing the collapse of the other wing and melted away. The Athenians swung right to join the Spartans who were rushing the Persian camp across the Asophus river.

**Mal H** · April 27, 2002, 04:43 PM

But they weren't all at Thermopylae, they wouldn't fit!

KSFreeman · April 27, 2002, 04:55 PM

Sure they were, just not at the same time.

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI · April 27, 2002, 05:18 PM

Nice work Oleg! Good job. I love it. One minor point- the Greek spelling of Molon Labe in the background is wrong- the second o should be an omega not an omicron.

Texas2NC · April 27, 2002, 05:25 PM

AMEICANS?

Umm... you lost an R there

Cal4D4 · April 27, 2002, 05:51 PM

Outside of only a passing grade for history and typos, I would like to nominate this as your personal best for content and emotive qualities.

DScottHewitt · April 27, 2002, 07:03 PM

Awesome........

Scott

brouhaha · April 27, 2002, 07:56 PM

OK...so can somebody tell me where I can get that hat?!

Lennyjoe · April 27, 2002, 08:19 PM

Brouhaha, email Correia and see when he will be taking orders again. He's the TFL/Molon Lave t-shirt/hat guru.

citizen · April 27, 2002, 08:51 PM

Oleg, nice for what it is.

I see an opportunity to tell a much larger story; will e-mail you.

Malpaso · April 27, 2002, 10:15 PM

Ok, be honest. How long before you noticed the gun?

April 27, 2002, 02:29 PM	#1
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	Molon Lave (poster) Hi-res Phrasing suggestions appreciated: I am trying to explain that the antis who expect to disarm America are abusing a poor grade of opium. Any better way to contrast 300 to 80 million? Update: I re-edited the text based on feedback and went with conservative estimate of the Persian numbers. I am not going to worry about the 5 thousant or so Greek allies as they don't figure in the legends __________________ Oleg "peacemonger" Volk blog.olevolk.net Last edited by Oleg Volk; April 27, 2002 at 04:39 PM.

April 27, 2002, 03:19 PM	#6
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	You'd be surprised. Americans are fond of private property. Even if some won't fight actively, I expect that they would not cooperate in turning in their guns...or any other property. Mine, I tell you, they are mine! On the plus side, thanks to better technology and great ingenuity of our kind, one of us at the right place and at the right time could mean a dozen funerals for them...if there be enough left of them to bother with. Near as I can tell, the other side has gone through less than 20% of the severity possible in gun control efforts, and already they are beginning to compress that nice, resilient steel spring to the point where it would push the drum magazine follower reliably...and I wouldn't want to be them when the backlash happens. __________________ Oleg "peacemonger" Volk blog.olevolk.net

April 27, 2002, 03:36 PM	#9
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	Re-phrasing suggested by a friend: "Lawful American gun owners". Y/N? Also, how many Persian troops were involved? __________________ Oleg "peacemonger" Volk blog.olevolk.net

April 27, 2002, 04:26 PM	#13
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	Mal H - thank you. Kaylee - you noticed! I did bring it up to about .30 __________________ Oleg "peacemonger" Volk blog.olevolk.net

April 27, 2002, 05:18 PM	#18
SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2001 Location: The People's Republic of Calif Posts: 268	Nice work Oleg! Good job. I love it. One minor point- the Greek spelling of Molon Labe in the background is wrong- the second o should be an omega not an omicron. __________________ NRA Benefactor Life Member CRPA Member Inland Empire Gun Owners Member

April 27, 2002, 02:57 PM	#2
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	That is AWESOME.

April 27, 2002, 02:59 PM	#3
Ceol Mhor Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2001 Posts: 1,043	Hey, I've got that hat! Reminds me of Humpty Dumpty. "All the king's horses and all the king's men..." Love it, Oleg!

April 27, 2002, 03:11 PM	#4
MadScientist Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2001 Posts: 319	maybe something like: "Xerxes' (insert size of army here) failed to disarm 300 Spartans at Thermoplyae. Whose army is big enough to disarm America's 80,000,000 lawful gun owners?" But unfortunatly, I don't think that the majority of the 80M would resist harder than the 300 spartans.

April 27, 2002, 03:15 PM	#5
Ceol Mhor Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2001 Posts: 1,043	On a side note - can you imagine Spartans equiped with rifles?

April 27, 2002, 03:28 PM	#7
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	Hmmm, well, yeah, he did disarm them it just took a while. Molon latte!

April 27, 2002, 03:32 PM	#8
Calamity Jane Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 899	Oleg, that poster kicks major butt!

April 27, 2002, 03:46 PM	#10
Kaylee Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2000 Location: The Last Homely House Posts: 1,677	1 -- I think "lawful Americans" rolls off the tongue better. 2 -- though if it comes to that, I doubt we'd be all that lawful. "principled" perhaps, "ethical" certainly. "lawful" depends on the good will of the ones making the laws. But that's a nit that really doesn't need to get picked on your image. just rambing this afternoon, pardon. 3 -- just curious -- is it just me, or did you punch up the size of the poodleshooter bore a tad? What, all of a sudden .223 ain't intimidating enough? 4 -- LOVE the composition.. it'd be nice to see some color -- Runt's hat (cool as it is) fades into the background a bit. Of course, color looks like it'd be easy to overdo on this one. 5 -- Perhaps a screened-in version of the Battle of thermople in th background, lower right corner. (as in, Runt's looking out away from the battlefield behind her)

April 27, 2002, 04:21 PM	#11
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 17,067	"Also, how many Persian troops were involved?" Xerxes had an army of around 150,000 and a navy of over 600 ships. The Spartan/Athenian army was over 10,000. Don't forget that Xerxes did eventually "go and get them", but at a far greater loss than the Spartan's loss of the 300 who were left behind in a suicide plan to give the Athenians time to regroup. The Spartans had the big advantage of defending a mountain pass, but the Persians sneaked up behind them and that was the end of the battle.

April 27, 2002, 04:21 PM	#12
Fred Hansen Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2001 Location: The middle of WWIII Posts: 3,335

April 27, 2002, 04:27 PM	#14
Ceol Mhor Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2001 Posts: 1,043	pulls out a copy of Gates of Fire* from the local library* Acording to Herodotus, Xerxes' army numbered 2 million men. And th Spartans killed ~20,000 of them before being destroyed.

April 27, 2002, 04:30 PM	#15
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	Mr. Wolf, the ancients say 1 million (including Greeks that went over to the Persians, the "Medized Greeks") with over 80K horse which is fanciful to say the least. 250K to 400K is the more reasonable guess, IMHO. Assuming arguendo the lower numbers the Persian Empire still outnumbered the allied city-states six or seven to one. Platea doomed the Persian invasion as Mardonius sprang his assault too quickly by not allowing the rest of his army to cross the Asophus and charged the Greek right (the Spartans) assuming that his cav would crush mere infantry. Oops, he ran right into Rooster! The Spartans routed the Persian left. The Greeks in Persian service (concentrated on the Persian right) lost heart upon hearing the collapse of the other wing and melted away. The Athenians swung right to join the Spartans who were rushing the Persian camp across the Asophus river.

April 27, 2002, 04:43 PM	#16
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 17,067	But they weren't all at Thermopylae, they wouldn't fit!

April 27, 2002, 04:55 PM	#17
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	Sure they were, just not at the same time.

April 27, 2002, 05:25 PM	#19
Texas2NC Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 185	AMEICANS? Umm... you lost an R there

April 27, 2002, 05:51 PM	#20
Cal4D4 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2001 Location: southern california Posts: 679	Outside of only a passing grade for history and typos, I would like to nominate this as your personal best for content and emotive qualities.

April 27, 2002, 07:03 PM	#21
DScottHewitt Junior Member Join Date: January 12, 2002 Location: Stuarts Draft, VA USA Posts: 3	Awesome........ Scott

April 27, 2002, 07:56 PM	#22
brouhaha Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2000 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 166	OK...so can somebody tell me where I can get that hat?!

April 27, 2002, 08:19 PM	#23
Lennyjoe Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2001 Location: Southwest Ohio Posts: 1,150	Brouhaha, email Correia and see when he will be taking orders again. He's the TFL/Molon Lave t-shirt/hat guru. __________________ If you see a Military man or a Vet, stop him and say "Thanks".

April 27, 2002, 08:51 PM	#24
citizen Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2000 Posts: 796	Oleg, nice for what it is. I see an opportunity to tell a much larger story; will e-mail you.

April 27, 2002, 10:15 PM	#25
Malpaso Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2000 Location: MA Posts: 177	Ok, be honest. How long before you noticed the gun?