School Board shooting

[Gbro]

Have not been able to find a link to this breaking news, but its all over the TV
A remarkable Women tries to unarm him with her purse and fails.
Unbelievable nobody but the assailant dies.

[rdmallory]

Yea she got no help form the other guys in there. When he turned around to look at her they had a chance but just watched. You can tell from the video he was not trying to hurt anyone. His finger was never near the trigger when he was pointing the gun directly at anyone. I think I heard they were blanks.I did not see any holes in any drywall when he was firing at the walls. Looked like a suicide by police to me. He must not of seen the sign no firearms allowed.

[Double Naught Spy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-X2w0Pn09k

the vid in this link picks up where the other left off and the bad guy gets shot...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-sch...kw=&tqshow=GMA

Check the video. Whacking with the purse did absolutely nothing useful, unfortunately.

The head of the school board did a good job of trying to work with the guy and trying to get the others released - also not useful.

I am not sure how it is that the gunman was eventually shot by a security guard. Where was he the rest of the time?

Aren't you glad the bad guys don't practice? He had stationary targets and missed at 8 feet.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/g...self-1.2542270

[MLeake]

.... said they were not blanks.

However, people interviewed implied they thought the guy was suicidal, and looking for a suicide by cop. He may have missed everybody he shot at by design, and not by poor marksmanship.

Supporting the "not blanks" angle, after he was wounded by the chief of security, he did finally kill himself with his own gun.

[Doyle]

Not suicide by police and not blanks. Security guard managed to shoot him in the leg but he died from his own gunshot. Unfortunately, FL law would have prevented any FL CCW holder from being armed in the meeting because the school board meeting was on school property.

[rdmallory]

FL law would have prevented any FL CCW holder from being armed in the meeting because the school board meeting was on school property.

That is what I meant when I said I guess he did not see the sign. Surly if he had seen the sign he would of not brought the gun into the building.

[Doyle]

Actually, I was thinking more in terms of an armed citizen being available to stop him.

[rdmallory]

The state took away their right to protect themselves by not allowing CCW permits in schools.

[Skans]

I listened to the recording of parts of the School Board meeting this morning. What I found appalling is how poorly the idiots on the School Board handled this situation. One man arrogantly antagonized the shooter by saying "look, I know what you're all about, you just came here to die....you to kill me so that the police to kill you..."

Another one said something like "Hey, I'm a good person...I have a good life....a nice wife and children....." to the shooter who was obviously distraught over the fact that his wife had been fired by the School Board, there benefits have run out and they had no money. Niiiiiiiice, lets rub his face in the fact that he has nothing and you have a "good life" - that'll save your can.

[Double Naught Spy]

The state took away their right to protect themselves by not allowing CCW permits in schools.

Really? Care to cite the law that says they don't have the right to protect themselves?

[jimbob86]

Really? Care to cite the law that says they don't have the right to protect themselves?

Oh, they still have the right to protect themselves........ just not with a gun.

......'Cause purses are .......sooooo effective .... in that capacity.

[Mike Irwin]

"Really? Care to cite the law that says they don't have the right to protect themselves?"

As I'm reading it, Florida law 790.115, 2(a):

"(2)(a)

A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop; however, a person may carry a firearm: (talks about school sanctioned events, training centers, etc.)"

[jimbob86]

Care to cite the law

..... and just because something isn't codified into a Law does not make it not so.

[Double Naught Spy]

Mike you cited a law that limits concealed carry on school property. I failed to see any part of that law that says that there is no right to protect themselves.

Did I miss the part where the lady with the purse has been arrested for her attack on the gunman, or was what she did covered under Florida's laws on self defense?

[Skans]

Mike you cited a law that limits concealed carry on school property. I failed to see any part of that law that says that there is no right to protect themselves.

Huh?

Are you being serious? How exactly do you expect folks sitting in a meeting room, unarmed, protect themselves against an armed, distraught, suicidal madman?

[Mike Irwin]

Spy,

You're parsing rdmallory's comment WAY too finely and in a manner not consistent with the tone and tenor of the ongoing conversation.

He obviously meant that citizens with CCW permits were/are prohibited from carrying a gun into the meeting by state law, ergo removal of right to protect oneself using a legally carried firearm.

Given the way the law is written, a 5-ton weight or a pointy stick would probably be legal when used for self-defense...

But we're not a 5-ton weight or pointy stick discussion board.

[KLRANGL]

It might be worth mentioning that the gunman was unable to possess a firearm since he was convicted of a crime punishable by more than a year in prison...

State prison records show Duke was charged in Oct. 1999 with aggravated stalking, shooting or throwing a missile into a building or vehicle and obstructing justice. He was convicted and sentenced in Jan. 2000 to five years in prison but was released in Jan. 2004.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/14...#ixzz18C307BLo

[jimbob86]

the gunman was unable to possess a firearm since he was convicted of a crime (I forget which) and was sentenced to five years in prison.

So the signs are doubly ineffective- They won't keep guns OR criminals carrying them out. Who'd a thunk it?

[rdmallory]

Did I miss the part where the lady with the purse has been arrested for her attack on the gunman, or was what she did covered under Florida's laws on self defense?

I am sure had the outcome been different and he had lived there would an assault charge pending by him. And his attorney would be using as part of his defense.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Not to be morbid but you could kill yourself with blanks.

Recall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum

Anyway, that contributes little to the conversation. The argument about letting people carry on school property is never ending.

[Gbro]

In an interview this AM with the Wonderful Lady that tried to stop Duke with her purse she did state that it was a stupid decision, but HEY she tried and to me that counts big time!
Now if it had been my Mother in Law's purse he would be in intensive care right now with multiple fractures, I always told her it should fall under some kind of dangerous weapon's law.
But I stand behind the Lady!

[a.lol.cat]

Originally Posted by KLRANGL

It might be worth mentioning that the gunman was unable to possess a firearm since he was convicted of a crime punishable by more than a year in prison...

Wait, you're telling me a criminal, by definition a person who breaks laws, broke the gun laws? I thought gun laws were magic fairy dust that instantly removed firearms from criminals hands, or so the anti-gunners would have you believe.

FL 790.115, 2(a) is another one of those it seems to make sense when you pass the law, why would anyone "need" a weapon at a school board meeting? Kinda like in '97 in California why would police officers "need" AR-15's in their cruisers, oh, guys wearing body armor.

It's the condom principle. I'd rather have one on me and not need it, then need it and not have one.

[KLRANGL]

Wait, you're telling me a criminal, by definition a person who breaks laws, broke the gun laws?

That is exactly what I am saying, and its worth mentioning that many people outside of this forum won't get that concept. They see an act committed by a man with a gun, and will demand more gun control. It is up to us to show them that there were already gun laws in place to stop this (no felon possession, and no firearm on school property), but that it did little to stop this act from happening. If we can convey that properly, we can maybe help prevent the passage of even more gun control laws...

[vikz]

I saw a video earlier on youtube when the security officer guy came in the BG even said" he probably does not have a gun with him!". and you can hear the one of the guys telling the security guy to just get out or something..About the lady with the purse well..she is brave but not sure if that was the smartest thing to do at that point one thing is for sure its a miracle nobody gut killed except the BG..

[Double Naught Spy]

Spy,

You're parsing rdmallory's comment WAY too finely ...

Sorry, but rdmallory wrote clearly and did not mince words.

The state took away their right to protect themselves by not allowing CCW permits in schools.

Of course, the fact that rdmallory made this following comment indicates that he does believe that the right of self defense isn't present in schools as he thinks the lady with the purse would have been charged.

I am sure had the outcome been different and he had lived there would an assault charge pending by him. And his attorney would be using as part of his defense.

Of course she would not have been charged. The right to self defense is indeed intact in the state of Florida.